When is the Sabbath?

[OakWood]

On 11/26/2017 at 5:02 PM, Teditis said:

I think the fact that the Jewish Calendar (lunar) has been lost to time... it sorta ends the discussion.

We'll never know the actual dates of Jewish feasts, festivals and Sabbaths. Much less the actual dates

of the Creation.

That's why I have such little interest in hearing "Sabbath-keepers" arguments for it being necessary

to meet on Saturday in order to follow the "Law". They simply have no idea about the depth of the subject.

But regardless of such matters, it is an established fact that the Roman Catholic Papacy changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and this was during a time when the Jewish people were observant of such dates and knew exactly when the sabbath was.... so they had no excuse.

Regardless of whether or not we should follow the 'law', or whether the sabbath is still sacred or not, the RCC still changed the day.

Why would they do this? Why bother to change a day if the day is no longer important? And if they thought it was important to keep the sabbath then why not stick to God's ordained day rather than choosing a day of their own?

These are simple but honest questions and they deserve answers like most simple and honest questions do.

But, I suspect... as always; truthful answers will not be forthcoming.

 

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57 minutes ago, OakWood said:

But regardless of such matters, it is an established fact that the Roman Catholic Papacy changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and this was during a time when the Jewish people were observant of such dates and knew exactly when the sabbath was.... so they had no excuse.

Regardless of whether or not we should follow the 'law', or whether the sabbath is still sacred or not, the RCC still changed the day.

Why would they do this? Why bother to change a day if the day is no longer important? And if they thought it was important to keep the sabbath then why not stick to God's ordained day rather than choosing a day of their own?

These are simple but honest questions and they deserve answers like most simple and honest questions do.

But, I suspect... as always; truthful answers will not be forthcoming.

 

It's not as simple as Saturday V's Sunday debate:  

1. It is reasonable to assume that Jesus kept the Sabbath and therefore the ancient Hebrew calendar and it's Sabbaths, new moons and annual feasts must have been common knowledge at this time.  

2. After the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD the Jews no longer had a temple to sacrifice in nor a priesthood to do it as they had all been killed. The Romans virtually killed everyone in Jerusalem and Massada where the rest of the rebels ran to. This left the Jewish population decimated and of the Jews living else where in Israel who had survived, by cow-towing to the Romans, very few return or decided to live in Jerusalem after 70 AD. The Sanhedrin however did mange to largely survive and formed a seat of rabbinic learning in the south of Galilee, where they maintained the practice of keeping the ancient Hebrew calendar and it's Sabbaths, new moons and annual feasts by travelling to Jerusalem each month to sight the new moon. 

3. Over the successive generations from 70 AD onwards these traumatic events had forced the Jews to look for sanctuary within the rest of the Roman Empire and beyond in what was called the Diaspora. They were refugees scattered in small groups and families, struggling to survive in foreign countries where they were more often than not treated as the lowest of the low.

4. Then after the Simon Bar Kokbha revolt between 132 - 135 AD and Emperor Hadrian's violent response which was one of Rome's largest ever military responses to rebellion in the empire with some 13 legions being sent, (only 4 were sent in 70 AD for example); Hadrian then banned all Jews from even being with in eye sight of Jerusalem by pain of death and after this there were even fewer Jews living in Israel. This also meant the Sanhedrin could no longer visually sight the new moon from Jerusalem in order to know when their Sabbaths, new moons and annual feasts were. Even though the new moon could be sighted from Jerusalem up to 135 AD this meant nothing to the poor survivors living abroad as there was no way that the monthly sightings could be sent to them quickly enough for them to calculate when the Sabbaths, new moons and annual feasts were meant to be. They could try to sight the new moon from wherever they were but then this would be on different days compared to Jews who were living further to the east or west. 

5. Instead the Jews found themselves living in an empire which was being taken over by the new Roman Julian calendar, named after Julius Caesar. This new calendar that first took effect in the province of Rome had started on 1st January 45 BC and this day was named 'Friday' (each the 7 days of this new calendar was given a new name, named after a Roman god). However the day before 1st January 45 BC the Romans calculated dates using a completely different ancient Roman calendar that had an 8 day week, where the days were simply named A,B,C,D,E,F,G & H (8 days) and which had been used for hundreds years by the Romans in the province of Rome. The new Julian calendar 7 day week was created by Sosigenes the Greek Mathematician and it had nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew calendar week, as they were totally separate from each other. It then took about 400 years before all the other countries within the Roman Empire were eventually forced to use the new Julian calendar as recorded in history. 

6. As the new Roman Julian 7 day week that began separately from the ancient Hebrew week began to take over the Roman Empire, the early church, which was mainly made up of non-Jews (after Peter the first Pope), simply used the new Julian calendar's 7th day (Saturday) as the Sabbath, even though it had nothing to do with the ancient Hebrew calendar and its reckoning of when the Sabbath was. The Roman Catholic church carried on with this regardless of the fact that the Julian calendar was totally different from the ancient Hebrew calendar.

7. From 135 AD to 321 AD over half a dozen generations came and went, with each generation of impoverished Jews continuing the struggle to survive within the Roman Empire. As each generation lived and worked in these countries that were using the new 7 day Julian week, it meant that more and more Jews were forced to work on their Sabbath as calculated by the ancient Hebrew calendar or face becoming even more impoverished. While they tried to maintain as much of their traditions as possible most could not keep their Sabbaths, new moons or annual feasts on the correct day as calculated by their ancient Hebrew calendar. As said even if they tried to sight the new moon from wherever they were living this would not be on the same day compared to Jews who were living further to the east or west, and more importantly on the day the new moon would be seen from Jerusalem. As each generation gradually came and went it became harder and harder to NOT fit in with the new Roman Julian 7 day working week and its Saturday Sabbath. Eventually over these generations the ancient reckoning of the Sabbath as calculated by the ancient Hebrew calendar was practically lost to history and the Jews living in the Empire gradually accepted Saturday as the Sabbath more and more. 

8. Then in 321 AD the Roman Emperor Constantine who hated the Jews (along with most of the rest of the Roman world) changed the day of rest on the new Julian calendar from Saturday to Sunday, this forced the impoverished Jews to either work on what many thought by now was the Sabbath (Saturday) or become even more impoverished. This caused and has since caused even more confusion amongst Christians and Jews as to when the real Sabbath is, as really it has never been on Saturday or Sunday on the Roman Julian calendar but has always been calculated by the ancient Hebrew calendar. 

9. In response to all this in 359 AD Sanhedrin Rabbi Hillel II in Israel created the new modern Jewish calendar which uses the mathematically calculated Metonic 19 year lunar cycle, that allowed Jews to celebrate all of their new moon days and annual feast days on the same day no matter where in the world they lived (even though half of the time it is a day out compared to the visually sighted new moon from Jerusalem). However, although this gives a good approximation of when the Jewish new moon days and annual feast are, Hillel appears to have not attempted to try and get the Jews to also follow the original Sabbath as calculated by the ancient Hebrew calendar. The reason for this was because the Jews who were scattered across the Roman Empire and beyond were still simply struggling to survive and had become so used to the new Julian calendar and it's Saturday Sabbath, that if they would have tried to go back to worshipping on the correct day as reckoned by their ancient Hebrew calendar it would have placed a further burden on them and put them at risk of being even more persecuted, because taking days off work that were calculated by the ancient Hebrew calendar rather than fitting in with the Julian Saturday Sabbath would have caused confusion and more resentment towards them.

10. The Hebrew calendar and it reckoning of when the Sabbath really was drifted from human history to be almost forgotten. This calendar that was once common knowledge to the ancient Hebrews and the authors of the Bible never thought it necessary to explain this calendar in one convenient place as they never envisaged a time when it would not be used. However, hidden amongst the scriptures of the Bible are many references to the ancient Hebrew calendar and its Sabbaths, new moons and annual feasts, which can be sifted out and reconstructed. This is not an easy thing to do however, if it was then more people would know about it but then most people don't even know about all the above information either, so it is understandable if you have never heard about where and how these snippets of scripture explain the ancient Hebrew calendar. Their are various studies on the ancient Hebrew calendar as describes in the Bible and here are a few that are helpful:

https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/start-reading-the-book/

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/sabtosat.htm

 

[inchrist]

11 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

We've already seen this one.  It just re-enforces what I already said:

 

No all its reinforcing is your inability to know there are two different approaches to the same application and observance of laws. Both approaches do not violate the law.....which you are struggling to prove.

The one approach is through the flesh of the law (which leads to death).....which you are trying to subject me to, with add on's in order to fulfill the law.

The other approach is through the Spirit of the law (which leads to life). Which you seem completely oblivious too.

You dismiss every single requirement of the Sabbath except one.

No I dismiss your man made requirements...please bear in mind the sabbath was made for man, not the otherway round.

 

Need a Temple in Jerusalem?  Nah

Firstly the rules of the sabbath Exodus 35
were given in the desert not in Jerusalem.

Their observance of the sabbath was in the desert....there was no temple in jerusalem at that time. By your man made legalism they have already violated the sabbath because the temple wasnt in Jerusalem, and they have to be in Jerusalem. Absolutly ridicules.

Further the tabernacle was then moved from the desert to Shiloh....by your man made legalism they are violating the sabbath because they have to be in Jerusalem in a temple.

For a while yes the temple was then moved to Jerusalem, however it has moved again....

 1 Corinthians 3:16 fulfills this requirment.

You obviously unware we are now the temple,  I can not ignore scripture due to your own ignorance of us being the temple.

1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

This does not violate the law of a temple needed for the sabbath Exodus 35...this is where you are failing to grasp what spirit of the law means.

And no where in Exodus 35 does it state you have to be in Jerusalem.

 

Need a Levitical Priesthood?  Nah.

The law simply calls for a high priest.....is Christ disqualified then?

 
 

Need daily sacrifices?  Nah.

Romans 12:1 fulfills that legal requirement, because that is the true a proper worship.....how do you not grasp this?  This is the spirit of the law.....Gods applications of laws can not violate any of Gods laws.....and as you can see they dont....

It is mind boggling the length you guys go to in which to add burdens to the law.

What of Adam, no temple in Jerusalem..

You always post one or two single verses, as stand-alone proof texts that actually do absolutely nothing to prove what you are saying.

No the reality is, you clearly do not understand what they are saying.

They only serve as a sketchy support for an edifice you and your denomination have already built yourself.

As appose to you creating your own definition of work? By such logic picking my nose would be considered work on the sabbath.

Youve created a hyperbole meaning of work, the very reason why Christ condemned the Pharisees...making man slaves to the sabbath.

By stating ridicules statements like starting your car on the sabbath constitutes work, is the very definition of making man a slave to the sabbath. Adding burdens to the law, because you decided what constitutes as work.

I'm still waiting for my answer to my question of Isaiah 58:13&14 ......has this prophecy been fulfilled? 

[inchrist]

18 hours ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

This is a huge study but I can start here with a few examples but there's way too much to explain here but this is a start (only a start, trust me there are loads of verses that prove the lunar calendar):

So in Samuel it shows God is naming day 1 of the month (new moon day) a feast day when they rested, but this is not a Sabbath. (Although there is an exception for day 1 of the Month of Tishri (month 7) which is called a Sabbath:

Leviticus 23:23-14

23The Lord said to Moses, 24“Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts.

1 Samuel 20:18 + 24-27

18 Then Jonathan said to David, “Tomorrow is the New Moon feast [Day 1]. You will be missed, because your seat will be empty.

24 So David hid in the field, and when the New Moon feast came [Day 1], the king sat down to eat. 25 He sat in his customary place by the wall, opposite Jonathan, and Abner sat next to Saul, but David’s place was empty. 26 Saul said nothing that day, for he thought, “Something must have happened to David to make him ceremonially unclean, surely he is unclean.” 27 But the next day, the second day of the month, [Day 2] David’s place was empty again. Then Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why hasn’t the son of Jesse come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

Then there are 6 days of work and a Sabbath on day 8 then after 6 more days the next Sabbath is the 15th as shown here:

Leviticus 23:4-16

4 “ ‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day [day 15] hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’ ”9 The Lord said to Moses, 10“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the SABBATH [day 15]. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 15 “ ‘From the day after the SABBATH, 

Again it shows day 15 and also day 22 on the 7th month is a Sabbath;

Leviticus 23:39

"'So beginning with the fifteenth day of the seventh month, after you have gathered the crops of the land, celebrate the festival to the LORD for seven days; the first day is a day of SABBATH rest, and the eighth day also is a day of SABBATH rest.

Also, in Exodus chapter 16 it can be determined that a Sabbath in the second month after leaving Egypt fell on day 22 of that month, and therefore shows that God’s Calendar, and his Sabbaths, are most certainly linked to the phases of the moon on days 8, 15, 22 & 29:

Exodus 16:1-26

1 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim, and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim, and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month [Day 15] after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. 3 The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the LORD’S hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.” 4 Then the LORD said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from Heaven for you. The people are to go out each day, and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. 5 On the sixth day [Day 21] they are to prepare what they bring in, and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.” 6 So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, “In the evening [Day 16] you will know that it was the LORD who brought you out of Egypt, 7 and in the morning [Also day 16] you will see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we, that you should grumble against us?” 8 Moses also said, “You will know that it was the LORD when he gives you meat to eat in the evening, and all the bread you want in the morning, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we? You are not grumbling against us, but against the LORD.” 9 Then Moses told Aaron, “Say to the entire Israelite community, ‘Come before the LORD, for he has heard your grumbling.’ ” 10 While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the LORD appearing in the cloud. 11 The LORD said to Moses, 12 “I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, ‘In the evening[Beginning of day 16] you will eat meat, and in the morning [Also day 16] you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God.’ ” 13 That evening [Day 16] quail came, and covered the camp, and in themorning [Also day 16] there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14 When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was. Moses said to them, “It is the bread the LORD has given you to eat. 16 This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Everyone is to gather as much as they need. Take an omer for each person you have in your tent.’” 17 The Israelites did as they were told; some gathered much, some little. 18 And when they measured it by the omer, the one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little. Everyone had gathered just as much as they needed. 19 Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.” 20 However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them. 21 Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. 22 On the sixth day [Day 21], they gathered twice as much, two omers for each person, and the leaders of the community came, and reported this to Moses. 23 He said to them, “This is what the LORD commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of SABBATH rest, [Day 22] a holy SABBATH to the LORD. So bake what you want to bake, and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left, and keep it until morning.’ ” 24 So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. 25 “Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a  SABBATH  to the LORD. You will not find any of it on the ground today. 26 Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the SABBATH, there will not be any.”

So here it shows God names day twenty-two of the second month after leaving Egypt a Sabbath (four times). This was not a feast day that God was initiating, otherwise it would be listed with the others in Leviticus.

Bare in mind the first Passover was on day 15 month 1 as explained above in Leveitcus 23: 4-16

Also, as it’s known that the new moon festival was held on day one of every lunar month, it can be determined, with certainty, that God’s Calendar had four Sabbaths every lunar month, on days 8, 15, 22, and 29 with six days of work preceding each Sabbath.

As said there many more in the Bible but to explain them all as well takes much more study than this as these are just the easy to understand ones and so is best to look at the links within the link I gave you.

Allow me to digest what youve given here and ill reply later tonight.

[inchrist]

3 hours ago, OakWood said:

But regardless of such matters, it is an established fact that the Roman Catholic Papacy changed the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and this was during a time when the Jewish people were observant of such dates and knew exactly when the sabbath was.... so they had no excuse.

Regardless of whether or not we should follow the 'law', or whether the sabbath is still sacred or not, the RCC still changed the day.

Why would they do this? Why bother to change a day if the day is no longer important? And if they thought it was important to keep the sabbath then why not stick to God's ordained day rather than choosing a day of their own?

These are simple but honest questions and they deserve answers like most simple and honest questions do.

But, I suspect... as always; truthful answers will not be forthcoming.

 

Honest opinion, its good we need more of this

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2 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I was not the poster that asked about times zones.  That was Yowm.

I have no problem understanding the Sabbath.  You can believe you have it all figured out, and you can even say you have it all figured out, but it is both insulting, rude and highly presumptuous to basically tell people that if they do not agree with you that they are basically stupid.  I don't need your "help" to figure out how the Sabbath works, and I don't need a website.  I have a Bible for that.  You want people to believe what you say but you cannot even explain the concept you are trying to get across in simple terms that would readily help people understand.  Just copying and pasting the same article over and over again does not get it.  I have already explained where the original premise of your thread was flawed in the other thread:

1)  The Rabbi you are referencing created this calendar.  He did not restore it with data somehow gleaned from the ancient past, so no one has any idea if it is really correct or not.

2)  The Jews have always observed Shabbat from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.  This is what the Bible prescribes, but the OP is saying everyone's been doing it wrong for 1000's of years.  Jesus did not correct the Pharisees so that means that particular option is automatically off the table.

3)  The OP makes the same flawed assumption that others here do that because the majority of Christians attend Church on Sunday, that they view this day as the Sabbath.  The overwhelming majority of those people do not view Sunday as the Sabbath, because they realize there is no need to keep the Sabbath, as in doing some ritualistic work on any particular day.

Since the Church was never command to observe the Sabbath at all, the entire subject is academic.

Sorry about that but I really can't keep up with everyone's divergent and assumptive topics on this thread. The good thing is though; Other One has understood what I am explaining (he read the OP) so may be he can help you understand too if you wish? Sometimes a third party is what's needed to bring some clarity. Take care.  

[other one]

3 hours ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said:

Sorry about that but I really can't keep up with everyone's divergent and assumptive topics on this thread. The good thing is though; Other One has understood what I am explaining (he read the OP) so may be he can help you understand too if you wish? Sometimes a third party is what's needed to bring some clarity. Take care.  

Otherone doesn't necessarily agree with you though.....   still pondering on that.   There are some assumptions that you make that need serious thinking about.....    then there is the need for the knowledge in the first place....   if you really are pushing for Sabbath keeping, we have a serious problem for that is no longer mandatory.  I'm trusting that you are not being subversive here and talk Sabbath keeping up later.  We are not under any part of the old law.   Peter sent word about eating things sacrificed to idols, eating strangled things and keeping away from immoral sex.....     we are under Jesus's two commandments and a few instructions such as getting baptized, but that's it....    No  dietary laws, no ten commandments or any of the other six hundred or so laws and ordinances. 

 

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16 hours ago, other one said:

Otherone doesn't necessarily agree with you though.....   still pondering on that.   There are some assumptions that you make that need serious thinking about.....    then there is the need for the knowledge in the first place....   if you really are pushing for Sabbath keeping, we have a serious problem for that is no longer mandatory.  I'm trusting that you are not being subversive here and talk Sabbath keeping up later.  We are not under any part of the old law.   Peter sent word about eating things sacrificed to idols, eating strangled things and keeping away from immoral sex.....     we are under Jesus's two commandments and a few instructions such as getting baptized, but that's it....    No  dietary laws, no ten commandments or any of the other six hundred or so laws and ordinances. 

 

Excellent, I basically agree with all that and although I said you understood it I didn't say you agree with it as it is something that needs consideration and I commend you for doing just that. If only everyone could do what you have done it would make it easier for me when trying to tell others about all this. And I will not be suddenly revealing any hidden Sabbath keeping bent, you can be sure of that so no need to worry where that's concerned. 

Now last night it occurred to me that I forgot to tell you another reason why God's Calendar is important and is probably the most important reason of all; for the life of me I can't understand how it slipped my mind but it did. The fact is all of God's Feasts and Holy Days are set by this Calendar. There are 12 in all and 7 of them are very familiar, the other five were all fulfilled by Jesus during His ministry and I can tell you about them as well if you like but for now here are the 7 familiar ones you've probably already heard of:

1. Preparation Day (Day 14 Month 1 - Aviv) = Fulfilled by Jesus' death. 

2. Passover (Day 15 Month 1 - Aviv) = Fulfilled by Jesus preaching to the souls in Hell.

3. The Day of First Fruits (Day 16 Month 1 - Aviv) = Fulfilled by Jesus' resurrection.

4. Shavuot, which Christians call Pentecost (Day 9 Month 3 - Sivan) = Fulfilled by Jesus sending the Holy Spirit.

5. The Day of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah (Day 1 Month 7 - Tishri) = Fulfilled by Jesus' birth. (I can provide information about this if you didn't know?)

6. The Day of Atonement (Day 10 Month 7 - Tishri) = To be fulfilled by Jesus when he returns at the last trump on the clouds. Although trumpets were blown every year on the Day of Trumpets to announce the new year this was not the case on a Jubilee year, as the trumpets were blown on day 10 (Atonement) instead:

 

Leviticus 25:9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land.

So this really is when the last trump will happen as Jubilee was also when all the slaves were set free which was a prophetic foreshadowing to when Jesus returns to set us free from our physical bondage on the Earth.  

7. Tabernacles (Day 15 Month 7 - Tishri) = To be fulfilled by Jesus when He returns to the Mount of Olives:

Deuteronomy 16:16

Three times a year all your men must appear before the LORD your God at the place he will choose:

Passover : Fulfilled by Jesus

Pentecost : Fulfilled by Jesus

Tabernacles : To be Fulfilled...

This verse meant that every male over 20 had to go to the Temple in Jerusalem 3 times every year just as Jesus also did. Jesus actually fulfilled 10 out of 12 Jewish Feasts and Holy Days and is beyond coincidence. Therefore He must return on the ones He has yet to fulfil. The Feast of Tabernacles celebrates the harvest. Many know it as Harvest festival and it alludes to the great harvest of souls at the end of age. When Jesus said ‘no one knows the day’ He said it in the present tense, He didn't say no one would ever know:

Amos 3:7 – Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

And: 

1 Thessalonians 5:4 – “You’re not in darkness for that day to surprise you like a thief.”

Jesus also alluded to the fact that He would fulfil Tabernacles at a later time:

John 7:2 & 8 – But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, [Jesus said] “You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.”

Jesus then purposefully misses the feast of Tabernacles. However, Jesus does turn up after having deliberately missed this specific day:

John 7:10 & 14 – But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus also went up, not publicly but in secret. About halfway through the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. [The feast lasts from day 15 to day 22 in month 7].

Jesus deliberately missed fulfilling this crucial third feast and said very specifically; "because my time has not yet fully come."

The Jews who missed His first coming did not recognise that Jesus was fulfilling the Spring Feasts. The Christians who do not recognise all the above will not see the significance of these Feasts and God's Calendar that points to when He is returning. As God said: 

Amos 3:7 – Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

[other one]

those feasts and holy days were given to the Isralites and never to gentiles....    like the other old laws they don't pertain to us.....   unless we just want to do them....   and I guess for those who really do want to do the feasts it would be good to do them at the right time....  

It seems to me that Paul was teaching at the direction of the Holy Spirit that we should not try to follow those old laws, but to just live our lives loving God every day all day long and loving our neighbors as ourselves.....    repent of our sins to start with and be baptized.....   then get up from the water as a new person who is to spread the good news and help others as best as we can.   

About the laws, the Bible very plainly says that the only part of them that we should carry out is about eating things sacrificed to animals, eating things strangled, blood and fornication.

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Eph 2:14-16

14 Christ himself is our peace. He has made Jews and non-Jews into one group of people. He has destroyed the hatred that was like a wall between us. 15 Through his body on the cross, Christ put an end to the law with all its commands and rules. He wanted to create one new group of people out of the two. He wanted to make peace between them.

16 He planned to bring both of them as one body back to God because of the cross. Christ put their hatred to death on that cross.
NIrV

 

I just don't understand why anyone would want to put themselves back under any of the old commandments and ordinances.....    it just boggles my mind.

 

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3 hours ago, other one said:

those feasts and holy days were given to the Isralites and never to gentiles....    like the other old laws they don't pertain to us.....   unless we just want to do them....   and I guess for those who really do want to do the feasts it would be good to do them at the right time....  

It seems to me that Paul was teaching at the direction of the Holy Spirit that we should not try to follow those old laws, but to just live our lives loving God every day all day long and loving our neighbors as ourselves.....    repent of our sins to start with and be baptized.....   then get up from the water as a new person who is to spread the good news and help others as best as we can.   

About the laws, the Bible very plainly says that the only part of them that we should carry out is about eating things sacrificed to animals, eating things strangled, blood and fornication.

I just don't understand why anyone would want to put themselves back under any of the old commandments and ordinances.....    it just boggles my mind.

 

I take it that you're replying to myself, if so then you have not understood what I am subsequently explaining. I have already agreed with you that we are not under the law and again for about the third time will stress that here; WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. What I am saying however, is that the Feasts God set on His Calendar for the Israelite's to practice each year for over a thousand years, were prophetic shadow pictures of what the Messiah was going to fulfil, such as dying in place of the Passover Lamb, surely you must know that one at least. If you have never heard of these things then I can list many more feasts and holy days Jesus fulfilled and how, but assuming you know a few of these then what I am trying to get across to you is that out of the 12 main feasts and holy days, Jesus fulfilled 10 of them and purposefully left 2 to fulfil and these 2 feasts point clearly to His second coming.

We don't have to do anything about this, it is not an instruction from God to reinstate the law or feasts. It is simply God's way of showing His plans for the future. But as said:

The Jews who missed His first coming by not recognising that Jesus fulfilled the Spring Feasts. Will be like the Christians who do not recognise significance of these Feasts and God's Calendar that point Jesus' second coming.

That said, even if you don't see this, well done anyway for understanding the first bit about God's Calendar, not many do as you can see here. 

Blessings