Christian Death %'s In Tribulation

[missmuffet]

49 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Your use of the term " remnant " would seem to indicate a majority of at least 75 % of the Christians entering the tribulation slaughtered , with a remnant remaining to be 

raptured . 

Those who believe in a post tribulation view believe that everyone will enter the seven year tribulation. The Bible says that born again Christians will not suffer God's wrath during the seven year tribulation Revelation 3:10. Those who believe in the post tribulation think somehow that the believers will be protected during this time and scripture does not say that. Towards the end some who have not taken the mark will be protected,but there will be very few left, the judgments start off at the first with killing many. They are not protected.

[other one]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Those who believe in a post tribulation view believe that everyone will enter the seven year tribulation. The Bible says that born again Christians will not suffer God's wrath during the seven year tribulation Revelation 3:10. Those who believe in the post tribulation think somehow that the believers will be protected during this time and scripture does not say that. Towards the end some who have not taken the mark will be protected,but there will be very few left, the judgments start off at the first with killing many. They are not protected.

But it doesn't say we will not suffer the wrath of the devil.

[missmuffet]

Just now, other one said:

But it doesn't say we will not suffer the wrath of the devil.

Are you speaking of the seven year tribulation? The wrath of the devil means nothing. He has no more power than what you want to give him. He loves it if you give him that kind of power. But the wrath of God is something to be fearful of.

[other one]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Are you speaking of the seven year tribulation? The wrath of the devil means nothing. He has no more power than what you want to give him. He loves it if you give him that kind of power. But the wrath of God is something to be fearful of.

Well he gives his power to the beast and kills more people that can be counted....  I don't think you understand.

 

[Unfailing Presence]

Perhaps understanding  into the percentages of Christians entering the tribulation who will be slaughtered   and  those that survive   could be gleaned by looking at the other instances in scripture were God allowed an entire group of people , faithful and obedient to Him , to endure massive slaughter and suffering ?                                                                  I think it would at least be worth taking a look at ?

[missmuffet]

22 minutes ago, other one said:

Well he gives his power to the beast and kills more people that can be counted....  I don't think you understand.

 

That is true for those who do not go in the rapture of the Church before the seven year tribulation. That is a choice to genuinely turn to Christ NOW. For those who end up in the seven year tribulation will be suffering the wrath and judgment of God and He will allow that. But we know how it ends.

[Sister]

5 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said:

I have seen many numbers given in connection with the tribulation ,  but I have  yet to see a number given from those who reject the pre-tribulation rapture  as to what percent of the

Christian population present at the beginning of the tribulation are slaughtered in it ? 

Ballpark figures mind you , no wrong answers .

A  50 / 50  split perhaps ? 

Or given that the slaughter is to be on a scale the Lord says the world has  " never seen "  maybe just a scoach more ,  53 %  or 57% ?

Never really considered it , being a pre -tribulation adherent myself , but those who believe they would go into it  must have considered the odds of how many , family members, friends  would

be of the group to witness the unprecedented  slaughter and suffering of their  fellow believers and brethren  , and yet be so lucky as to  live and  win the Rapture lottery and leave it all

behind . 

How Lucky they will be .

 

                                                                                                                   " He leadeth me ."   ( Psalm 22 :2 )

 

                                                              

Unfailing Presence

 Romans 8:35   Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

 Romans 8:36   As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

  Romans 8:37   Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

  Romans 8:38   For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

  Romans 8:39   Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[ForHisGlory37]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

To my knowledge the Bible doesn't indicate the percentage of Christians that will be slaughtered during the tribulation, but a remnant will enter the Kingdom age. but based on the wording it appears to be a majority. Evidently 2/3 of the Jewish population will be destroyed and 1/3 will be a remnant going into the millennium. If memory serves, about 3/4 of the gentile population will be destroyed by the various plagues, Antichrist, earthquakes, natural and supernatural disasters, etc. Enough of a remnant of the Jew and gentile to repopulate the earth during the millennium. That's from memory and not supported.

In Revelation 20: 4-6 it tells us clearly who will be with Christ in the Millennial reign.  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished, This is the first resurrection.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

For those of you who dispute that that is promised to the 144,000 of the remnant of the Jews, here is scripture from 1 Peter 2:9-10 BUT YOU ARE A CHOSEN GENERATION, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, AN HOLY NATION, A PECULIAR PEOPLE: THAT YE SHOULD SHEW FORTH THE PRAISES OF HIM WHO HATH CALLED YOU OUT OF DARKNESS INTO HIS MARVELLOUS LIGHT.  WHICH IN TIME PAST WERE NOT A PEOPLE, BUT ARE NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD: WHICH HAD NOT OBTAINED MERCY, BUT NOW HAVE OBTAINED MERCY. 

From Romans 8:17  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO BE THAT WE SUFFER WITH HIM, THAT WE MAY BE ALSO GLORIFIED TOGETHER. 

For anyone disputing that we are not the ELECT, Romans 8: 29, 32-33 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be firstborn among many brethren. ... Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT?  IT IS GOD THAT JUSTIFIETH. 

 

 

 

[Sister]

1 hour ago, Unfailing Presence said:

Perhaps understanding  into the percentages of Christians entering the tribulation who will be slaughtered   and  those that survive   could be gleaned by looking at the other instances in scripture were God allowed an entire group of people , faithful and obedient to Him , to endure massive slaughter and suffering ?                                                                  I think it would at least be worth taking a look at ?

Unfailing Presence

 Matthew 22:14   For many are called, but few are chosen.

During the end times there won't be multitudes in the faithful congregation of the just.  Just many lip servers, who's hearts have not been circumcised. (The luke warm)  They are the ones spoken of here, standing in the court.  They are not measured because there are multitudes of them.

 Revelation 11:2   But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

These luke warm who claim they are in the kingdom of God, are given over to the gentiles to be trampled on, and because their hearts are not perfect before the Lord, they have one last chance to be purified by fire.  This purification by fire is when one is put through the furnace to be tried,...in other words, they have to go through tribulation and persecution for the Lord's sake, so their dirty robes can be made white.  They will be tested through the Mark of the Beast, and he who refuses this, and endures to the end will overcome, to receive the crown of life. 

 

Luke 14:8   When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

We can all judge ourselves not worthy to go through this, thinking we are something more special than the rest, but it's the Lord who decides when the temple is measured who will be placed where, so we cannot boast, because Christ sees into the heart who has truly made all the sacrifices of the heart at the altar of God.

 Revelation 11:1   And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

 

This is the sealing of the 144K who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.  They have been measured just before the tribulation even begins.  God has them marked and sealed with his protection from the beast.  They are kept safe on the ark.  They remain in God's hands, in the earth, just like the ark was, and their sacrifices of the heart are accepted.

 

Matthew 22:14   For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

 

  Luke 12:37   Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

  Luke 12:38   And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

  Luke 12:39   And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

Every man knows when the Coming will take place, we have been given all the events in their exact order, we know the season (at Armageddon) ...but no man knows when the sealing of the 144K will take place, this is the "watch" where a man's house can be broken into.
 

 

[ForHisGlory37]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Those who believe in a post tribulation view believe that everyone will enter the seven year tribulation. The Bible says that born again Christians will not suffer God's wrath during the seven year tribulation Revelation 3:10. Those who believe in the post tribulation think somehow that the believers will be protected during this time and scripture does not say that. Towards the end some who have not taken the mark will be protected,but there will be very few left, the judgments start off at the first with killing many. They are not protected.

Where does it say there is "God's wrath during the seven year tribulation?"  If our Great God could protect the Israelites from the judgements on Egypt, why couldn't He protect the believers?  I'm not saying some won't die, but if it is His will for some believers to live, He can and will save.