Revelation 3:15

[Guest Warrior FC]

Actually, cold and hot refers to the way the drink is intented to be served.

Hot coffee when luke warm . . . yuk!

Lukewarm milk? No thanks!

Jesus would never perfer someone be "cold/indifferent"

He wants us to be what we are supposed to be, cold or hot, refreshing, yet soothing.

Excellent references! :thumb:

[RCruise]

Actually, cold and hot refers to the way the drink is intented to be served.

Hot coffee when luke warm . . . yuk!

Lukewarm milk? No thanks!

Jesus would never perfer someone be "cold/indifferent"

He wants us to be what we are supposed to be, cold or hot, refreshing, yet soothing.

blindseeker:

That sounds pliable but, doesn't quite fit.

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Hot = serious believer

Cold = serious atheist.

Luke warm = wishy washy, not solid on anything, who cares, part time, sunday Christian.

If someone is cold they are at least passionate in their un belief they have reason in their disbelief and if you can win them over they become a Hot Christian.

There is an old saying that the most fanatical people in any religion is a convert. We all must be like a fresh convert full of excitement and keen as mustard.

Well that

[Guest tjw]

Hi all,

This has been a GREAT thread!

[tsth]

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Lukewarm do not consider repentance.

A hot person or cold person does.

But then I thought about the fact that He was talking to a church.... not the lost.  I don't think he would be suggesting that He wishes their church didn't exist.  

Yes, He is talking to the church, and I believe it is a church who thinks they are no longer in need of "repentance".   We still are.  And there are many who when confronted with sin (now remember we are talking about those within the church) will get angry and turn away from the Truth, rather than repent and embrace it.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest tjw]

I Cor 4:10-13 (NASB)

10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are prudent in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are distinguished, but we are without honor. 11 To this present hour we are both hungry and thirsty, and are poorly clothed, and are roughly treated, and are homeless; 12 and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; 13 when we are slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become as the scum of the world, the dregs of all things, even until now.

Hi all,

I'm still learning on all this, but I wanted to get this out for food for thought.  

Could it be that this church was NOT accepting the direction that Christ was calling them into?  He wanted them to go deeper into service with Him, but that would require becoming fools/naked/persecuted..... COLD?  Instead they chose to stay where they were, but without the Spirit, they could not maintain the "heat" and became tepid.

thanks

tjw

[QuaestorRexRegis]

RC - I think you are definately onto something

tjw - how can a church be naked?  1 Cor. 14:24 compares the unbeliever with the ungifted.  A church that refuses the move of the Holy Spirit, albeit gifts or fruit - which operate together, would not be clothed with the power that He presents.

Again, I like what you said RC.  To the point (and pretty, too  :lightbulb: )

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Well your either for him..HOT...or against him ..cold....

But whats worse are those that think they can sit on the fence..or stand on some luke warm "middle ground"..and just see how things will pan out..then jump on the winning team at the end..end up making him dislike them the most...!

Why...?

Because in doing so they actually MOCK his divine nature as God..and think they can "play two hands on one deal" when in fact they don't have either...!

[Guest]

I fully believe that the "cold" condition he desired here versus "lukewarm" condition was a similitude to their realizing they are "naked" and "without" therefore "freezing" and knowing they need what He told them to seek.  To be clothed Spiritually with "white raiment".  As it was, their own boasting of their "earthly" comfort proved they used that to gauge that they were Spiritually comfortable also.  That is why they need "eyesalve" to "see" their spiritual condition.

That too sounds pliable but it doesn't quite fit either.

Where else has Jesus or God ever referred to something being spued  out of His mouth?

Where has the church ever found it's way into His mouth? Where is the Biblical record of such?

There isn't any because the cold and hot has to do with drink. Something taken into the mouth with the expectation of it to be one way or the other. When it is not, it is spit out in disgust.

This deals primarily with the Laodiceans being guilty of sins of omission. Their failure to be what Jesus called them to be.

• Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
  13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
  14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
  
  
  They failed to observe THE Apostle Peter's admonitions below -
  • II Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
    

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5  And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye DO these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

[QuaestorRexRegis]

BlindSeeker - it sounds to me that you see all men as trees walking and need another touch from Jesus...I hope you took that in the spirit it was intended - you have a great answer, but it is too easy to bypass the purpose of the Scriptures.  Hebrews was to the Hebrews and Revelation was to the whole Church.  Peter wrote to a church established in the Word.  These audiences are separate in issues.

Laodicea was the 7th church being addressed by Jesus through John.  If we look at the churches in order as steps of growth/creation of the history of the Church, then we see the 6th step - which is where we are today - we are faced with a dichotomy between Philadelphia and Laodicea.  Will our deeds be known to have kept His word or to have been all talk and no walk?

That's a big bite, but it's time some of us start seeing more than the common answers.