Two Trees in the Garden

[eprom]

The Bible starts with 2 trees by a river, and ends with 2 trees by a river. The tree's dimensions penetrate every realm of God

[tsth]

Dear eprom,

Thank you for the study prompt! I will look to see what I hear from this. I think it is a very significant study. I look forward to the "fruit" this study will bear!

Although it was a personal thing, here is the 1st thing that was significant/(spoke to me), as I begin this study.

Isaiah 61:3 To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified."

Thanks again.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest Bro David™]

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I was trying to think of the end result, and what was intended when the tree was planted.

I love gardening, when I place a sapling in a certain part of my Garden, I instinctively plan ahead.

Would it obstruct anyone walking through.

Would it get too much sun, and will it affect the growth of the sapling.

The God of Israel and Moses, was one who created the world, the artist who painted our skies.

That being said, why were two very important tress placed there.

The Alpha and the Omega.

He knew the serpent would entice eve into sin.

It is indeed a deep and thought provoking question.

Could God have intended the end result ?

[eprom]

Thank you for the study prompt!  I will look to see what I hear from this.  I think it is a very significant study.  I look forward to the "fruit" this study will bear!

Regarding the knowledge of good and evil, the question we need to ask is: what was this tree of the knowledge of good and evil and where did it come from. Did God plant this tree, or did he plant the garden around where this tree was located? Trees are a pervasive metaphor in scripture and in one sense, we are all trees to God, as he requires us to be fruitful.

There are good trees in scripture and bad trees. Rebellious Israel is always seen as a fruitless fig tree, but an earnest Israelite is seen as sitting under a fig tree waiting for the fruit to come. The four good trees in the Bible are: the palm tree (imagery of an oasis in the desert, and a symbol for worship), the olive tree (anointing oil

[tsth]

Well, I came here to post on this topic, but after reading what is here, I believe I'll refrain, as what stood out to me this morning, was not along this line. I'll just wait and watch.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest Bro David™]

Well, I came here to post on this topic, but after reading what is here, I believe I'll refrain, as what stood out to me this morning, was not along this line.  I'll just wait and watch.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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I came heer to see what ya might have posted.

*sigh*

[nebula]

the only consistently evil tree in scripture seems to be an evergreen. . . .

The fruit of the great cedar is idolatry. . . .

As I mentioned to you the last time you posted this theology/ philosophy -

There is a problem with equating the evergreen or cedar tree with evil, and that is that it is not always portrayed so in Scripture.

Ps 92:12 -

The righteous shall flourish like a palm tree, He shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

1Ki 6:9 - So he built the temple and finished it, and he paneled the temple with beams and boards of cedar.

1Ki 6:10 - And he built side chambers against the entire temple, each five cubits high; they were attached to the temple with cedar beams.

1Ki 6:15 - And he built the inside walls of the temple with cedar boards; from the floor of the temple to the ceiling he paneled the inside with wood; and he covered the floor of the temple with planks of cypress.

1Ki 6:16 - Then he built the twenty-cubit room at the rear of the temple, from floor to ceiling, with cedar boards; he built it inside as the inner sanctuary, as the Most Holy Place.

1Ki 6:18 - The inside of the temple was cedar, carved with ornamental buds and open flowers. All was cedar; there was no stone to be seen.

1Ki 6:20 - The inner sanctuary was twenty cubits long, twenty cubits wide, and twenty cubits high. He overlaid it with pure gold, and overlaid the altar of cedar.

1Ki 6:36 - And he built the inner court with three rows of hewn stone and a row of cedar beams.

[Dad Ernie]

EPROM: I just responded to your questions on CB.

Greetings Maniac,

You said, "Rebellious Israel is always seen as a fruitless fig tree...." Is there a connection between this and Jesus cursing the fig tree in the NT? What scripture describes Israel this way?

This topic may get some of our Messianic's in a stir, but they already know what I believe. But yes, you are correct. Jesus only did that which He saw the Father do, and I know that He "came unto His own, but His own received Him not", clearly depicting the Jews' rejection of Christ. We also see a picture of Israel mentioned here:

Luke 13:6-9 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

You might say that from the cross to 70 A.D. God allowed the Apostles to "dig about Israel and fertilize it" during all that time, yet they persisted in their rejection of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They have never born fruit for the Kingdom of God, even up to today. And of course, the symbolic "fig tree" never will, until those of the "fig tree" die and be reborn into the Olive Tree, that is grafted into the Olive Tree if you will. The TRUE or NATURAL Jew once had sole proprietorship of the Olive Tree, but it was taken from them and given to a "peoples" (nation) that would produce fruit. One day though, we are assured that ALL Israel will be saved and they will regain their lost position in the Olive Tree (the Kingdom of God) that they once rejected.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[tsth]

EPROM: I just responded to your questions on CB.

Greetings Maniac,

You said, "Rebellious Israel is always seen as a fruitless fig tree...." Is there a connection between this and Jesus cursing the fig tree in the NT? What scripture describes Israel this way?

This topic may get some of our Messianic's in a stir, but they already know what I believe. But yes, you are correct. Jesus only did that which He saw the Father do, and I know that He "came unto His own, but His own received Him not", clearly depicting the Jews' rejection of Christ. We also see a picture of Israel mentioned here:

Luke 13:6-9 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

You might say that from the cross to 70 A.D. God allowed the Apostles to "dig about Israel and fertilize it" during all that time, yet they persisted in their rejection of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They have never born fruit for the Kingdom of God, even up to today. And of course, the symbolic "fig tree" never will, until those of the "fig tree" die and be reborn into the Olive Tree, that is grafted into the Olive Tree if you will. The TRUE or NATURAL Jew once had sole proprietorship of the Olive Tree, but it was taken from them and given to a "peoples" (nation) that would produce fruit. One day though, we are assured that ALL Israel will be saved and they will regain their lost position in the Olive Tree (the Kingdom of God) that they once rejected.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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Why do we assume that "Israel" are the only disobedient ones? Were they not the first examples. We'd better not be so sure that we aren't able to fall into the same disobedience, with the same results from it.

1 Cor 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play." 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

Romans 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! 13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

The study of the trees, reveals much. But what I understood this morning was this. The trees are created by God, they are planted in the place of God's choosing, to sprout and grow and bear fruit. But, the trees can also be cut down and burned, or pulled up and transplanted. It is the same with great nations/peoples. God may do as He likes and wills with each and every one of them. Israel was the first. There is a pattern of revelation to come and go.

Ezekiel 17

24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I, the Lord, have brought down the high tree and exalted the low tree, dried up the green tree and made the dry tree flourish; I, the Lord, have spoken and have done it."

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Dad Ernie]

Why do we assume that "Israel" are the only disobedient ones?  Were they not the first examples.  We'd better not be so sure that we aren't able to fall into the same disobedience, with the same results from it.

Greetings TSTH,

I too believe that Israel is an example. I would compare favorably where Israel was spiritually at the time the Lord "came unto His own", and the Church of Laodicia, which I believe will be the predominant church spirit at the end of the age. Jesus could have just as easily spoken to the Pharisees the same words as He spoke to the Church of Laodicia.

We also know that in the last days there shall be a great "falling away" or apostacy, that is, a departing from sound doctrine.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie