Is Mary a Intercessor?

[JoeCanada]

On 1/3/2018 at 12:58 PM, BeyondET said:

I've learned that the Catholic's doctrine, believe Mary is a Intercessor between Jesus and people.

this seems bazaar to me, they believe the wine running out at the wedding was a act of compassion on Mary's part thus why the doctrine was spawned, if there was a false teaching then this is the icing on the cake. IMO

the doctrine that Mary is a Intercessor is completely bazaar to me, to say the least.

what are other people's thoughts about the Intercessor thing of the Catholic faith.

Hi BeyondET......

Here are some interesting things about Mary.....

The WORSHIP OF THE VIRGIN, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN is an ancient practice which started thousands of years before Christ was born.

WORSHIP OF this pagan QUEEN OF HEAVEN is talked about in the scriptures.
*Jeremiah 44:25… "burn incense to THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN."

THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN ISHTAR has been identified with the Phoenician goddess ASTARTE; the Semitic goddess ASHTORETH; the goddess ISIS of Egypt; the goddess of GREECE was APHRODITE, and the goddess VENUS of Rome. These goddesses in these different nations are actually the same Babylonian goddess ISHTAR, but they were just given different names in the different nations. They were all called THE VIRGIN, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN. The goddess ASHTAROTH is TALKED ABOUT IN THE BIBLE. Ashtaroth was also called the Queen of Heaven. ASHTAROTH also was a mother figure. She was portrayed CRADLING BAAL. Ashtaroth was known as THE GODDESS OF LUST.

In ISLAM Mohammad's daughter FATIMA is called QUEEN OF HEAVEN. It's interesting to note that some Catholic churches are named "OUR LADY OF FATIMA".

WORSHIP OF THE VIRGIN AND THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN ENTERED CHRISTIANITYunder CONSTANTINE A SUN WORSHIPPER. Constantine gave the great Roman temples and shrines of their Queens of Heaven, the goddesses Fortuna and Diana, to Rome's Christian Church. He had these pagan temples 'christianized' them by renaming them afterMARY. Some Christian churches are called "NOTRE DAME", a French word which means "OUR LADY". "Notre Dame" or "Our Lady" are applied to Fortuna, Diana, Madonna, Isis, Ishtar, Fatima, Mary and any other goddess.

It was not until the Fourth Century under Constantine that Mary began to be looked upon with goddess status and people started WORSHIPPING HER and OFFERING HER CAKES at shrines to her just like was done to Ishtar, Isis, Ashtaroth and the others that held the title Queen of Heaven.

*Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we MAKE HER CAKES TO WORSHIP HER, and pour out drink offerings unto her,"

MARYOLOGY did not become an official doctrine in the Roman Church until 431 A.D. It's interesting that Maryology started at EPHESUS. EPHESUS, TURKEY is the city which had been the headquarters of the pagan GODDESS DIANA. (Acts 19:27-28, 34-35)

It is incredible that Mary, the mother of Jesus, a godly and virtuous woman, was given Semaramis' titles, seeing that Semaramis was a prostitute and was Baal's 'Queen of Heaven'. Baal was the enemy of God. Mary's Son Jesus came to this world for the purpose of destroying the works of the devil. 1 Jn 3:8. Mary would have never joined in the Baal religion which was adversarial to her Son and behind His crucifixion.

Perhaps the greatest example of the continuation of Baal today is the practice of worshipping STATUES OF MARY HOLDING BABY JESUS IN HER ARMS. This is nothing but copying THE STATUES OF SEMARAMIS HOLDING TAMMUZ IN HER ARMS.

These are just a few snippets from an article. The rest can be found here... http://lorendavis.com/news_articles_queen_of_heaven.html

Very interesting read for sure. 

[Fidei Defensor]

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi BeyondET......

Here are some interesting things about Mary.....

The WORSHIP OF THE VIRGIN, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN is an ancient practice which started thousands of years before Christ was born.

WORSHIP OF this pagan QUEEN OF HEAVEN is talked about in the scriptures.
*Jeremiah 44:25… "burn incense to THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN."

THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN ISHTAR has been identified with the Phoenician goddess ASTARTE; the Semitic goddess ASHTORETH; the goddess ISIS of Egypt; the goddess of GREECE was APHRODITE, and the goddess VENUS of Rome. These goddesses in these different nations are actually the same Babylonian goddess ISHTAR, but they were just given different names in the different nations. They were all called THE VIRGIN, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN. The goddess ASHTAROTH is TALKED ABOUT IN THE BIBLE. Ashtaroth was also called the Queen of Heaven. ASHTAROTH also was a mother figure. She was portrayed CRADLING BAAL. Ashtaroth was known as THE GODDESS OF LUST.

In ISLAM Mohammad's daughter FATIMA is called QUEEN OF HEAVEN. It's interesting to note that some Catholic churches are named "OUR LADY OF FATIMA".

WORSHIP OF THE VIRGIN AND THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN ENTERED CHRISTIANITYunder CONSTANTINE A SUN WORSHIPPER. Constantine gave the great Roman temples and shrines of their Queens of Heaven, the goddesses Fortuna and Diana, to Rome's Christian Church. He had these pagan temples 'christianized' them by renaming them afterMARY. Some Christian churches are called "NOTRE DAME", a French word which means "OUR LADY". "Notre Dame" or "Our Lady" are applied to Fortuna, Diana, Madonna, Isis, Ishtar, Fatima, Mary and any other goddess.

It was not until the Fourth Century under Constantine that Mary began to be looked upon with goddess status and people started WORSHIPPING HER and OFFERING HER CAKES at shrines to her just like was done to Ishtar, Isis, Ashtaroth and the others that held the title Queen of Heaven.

*Jeremiah 44:19 "And when we burned incense to THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we MAKE HER CAKES TO WORSHIP HER, and pour out drink offerings unto her,"

MARYOLOGY did not become an official doctrine in the Roman Church until 431 A.D. It's interesting that Maryology started at EPHESUS. EPHESUS, TURKEY is the city which had been the headquarters of the pagan GODDESS DIANA. (Acts 19:27-28, 34-35)

It is incredible that Mary, the mother of Jesus, a godly and virtuous woman, was given Semaramis' titles, seeing that Semaramis was a prostitute and was Baal's 'Queen of Heaven'. Baal was the enemy of God. Mary's Son Jesus came to this world for the purpose of destroying the works of the devil. 1 Jn 3:8. Mary would have never joined in the Baal religion which was adversarial to her Son and behind His crucifixion.

Perhaps the greatest example of the continuation of Baal today is the practice of worshipping STATUES OF MARY HOLDING BABY JESUS IN HER ARMS. This is nothing but copying THE STATUES OF SEMARAMIS HOLDING TAMMUZ IN HER ARMS.

These are just a few snippets from an article. The rest can be found here... http://lorendavis.com/news_articles_queen_of_heaven.html

Very interesting read for sure. 

My concern about this vien of thought is that it can make fellow Protestants despise Mary holding the Baby Jesus when she did (Matthew 1 and 2, Luke 2 and 3). The same goes for disdain for the Crucifix, those who turn against it view it as quintessential Catholic symbol that was influenced by St, Bernard of Clairvaux. However, the Crucifix is a depiction of our Lord and God’s death on cross for our sins (John 19, 1 Peter 3:-8, Romans 5:4-11) and so is an image of the Savior and salvation of mankind.  

It is one thing to warn people about the Queen of Heaven-Redeematrix deception, it is another to make the real Mary guilty by association (I know this is not your intent, but it happens). 

So many are afraid of Mary because of the misconceptions about her in Catholicism. The truth is she was devout woman of God, a sinner (Luke 1:47), and she was chosen and responded, “let it be done unto me.” She knew she was inviting persecution in her culture because many would not believe the truth that Jesus is God and conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:26-38, Luke 2:8-20). She was disowned by her family as shown by she gave doves not a lamb for the circumscision (Luke 2:24), and neither she nor Joseph were welcome into their family homes in Bethlehem, both of them being children from David's Line (Matthew 1:1-17, Luke 3:23-38). 

If a cult had diefied Miriam the sister of Moses, we would separate the real Miriam from the error of the cult and so I believe it behooves us to be careful that while we endeavor to debunk queen of heaven that we don’t tarnish the woman who gave birth to Christ and who was at the cross when He suffered for sins (John 19:25). 

[Fidei Defensor]

4 minutes ago, Davida said:

The thing is we aren't supposed to be having or admiring  pictures of Mary holding the baby Jesus anyway. We don't worship appearances. 

So Nativities in your views are forfeit? And yet The Nativity scene teaches children about the Birth of Christ. Images help visually teach people the Gospel. We should not forfeit them because some turn them into idols. 

[Concretecamper]

Mary intercedes for us.  I can intercede for others.  God is the God of the living, not the dead.

[Concretecamper]

14 hours ago, Davida said:

Sorry that is Wrong -that is idolatry.  Mary does NOT intercede for anyone  -that is a RCC False Teaching.  It is Not found in the Word of GOD , but the idolatry of Mary is taught by the heretical RCC which has added it's own FALSE writings, heretical traditions and false dogma. 

THE BIBLE directs us all Only to the Lord Jesus Christ who is our High Priest, our only intercessor and mediator. Read what the Bible says....

1Tim 2:5 "5  FOR THERE IS ONE GOD AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN,   THE MAN , CHRIST JESUS.

Acts 4: 5-12   " On the next day, their rulers and elders and scribes were gathered together in Jerusalem; 6 and Annas the high priest [was there], and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of high-priestly descent.  7 When they had placed them in the center, they [began to] inquire, "By what power, or in what name, have you done this?"

 8  Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers and elders of the people, 

9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 

10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead-- by this [name] this man stands here before you in good health. 11 "HE IS the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, [but] WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 

12 AND THERE IS SALVATION IN NO ONE ELSE;   FOR there is No Other NAME UNDER HEAVEN THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN among men by which we must be saved."  --- JESUS IS the Name Above All Other names

There is nothing in the scriptures you quoted that forbid intercession.

 

If Christ healed the paralytic because of his freind's faith, He can also do miracles for my friend because of my faith.

The great apostle Paul also intercedes for his Children.

Intercession is biblical.

[HAZARD]

5 hours ago, Concretecamper said:

There is nothing in the scriptures you quoted that forbid intercession.

 

If Christ healed the paralytic because of his freind's faith, He can also do miracles for my friend because of my faith.

The great apostle Paul also intercedes for his Children.

Intercession is biblical.

1 Timothy 2:5, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;  . . . . not Mary?

[Concretecamper]

13 minutes ago, Davida said:

That is a false statement , you are wrong and ignoring what the BIble states clearly and explicitly- because you want to do what your carnal sinful flesh desires & what the Pope and the RCC teach instead of obeying the Bible scripture.  The BIBLE tells us THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and Man--that Man JESUS CHRIST!!  How much clearer instruction do you need?  Why are you choosing to ignore that Holy TRUTH? 

1 Tim
{2:1} I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men:
{2:2} For kings and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity.
{2:3} For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour

 

You are intent on ignoring scripture....why?

[Concretecamper]

2 hours ago, HAZARD said:

1 Timothy 2:5, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Start reading at the beginning if the chapter and get back with me.

[Concretecamper]

22 hours ago, Davida said:

Sorry that is Wrong

No it is not

Gospel of Mark

He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err.

 

Romans

Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? Or distress? Or famine? Or nakedness? Or danger? Or persecution? Or the sword?
{8:36} (As it is written: For thy sake, we are put to death all the day long. We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.)
{8:37} But in all these things we overcome, because of him that hath loved us.
{8:38} For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might,
{8:39} Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

 

 

[HAZARD]

11 minutes ago, Concretecamper said:

Start reading at the beginning if the chapter and get back with me.

Romans 8:  26-27,

V 26,Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intersession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 
   

27, And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 

Romans 8:34,  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 7:25-26,   V 25, Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 

26, For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Isiah 53:  12, Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors.

No Mention of Mary anywhere in Scripture interceding for anyone?