KC02 Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/26/1971 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 422 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 319 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, KC02 said: Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? Red flag #1: The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. Red flag #2: They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. With those foundations, any training they provide is very suspect and sounds like it just as easily cause more harm than good. Leave now while you can. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC02 Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/26/1971 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 I am personally not susceptible to these control tactics. I fear for others... The newbys. I think the make it or break it for me will be if the leadership refuses allow me to hold them accountable too, then there is no reason for me to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryan Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 422 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 319 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, KC02 said: I am personally not susceptible to these control tactics. I fear for others... The newbys. I think the make it or break it for me will be if the leadership refuses allow me to hold them accountable too, then there is no reason for me to be there. Exactly. Then again, if you're constantly doing that and resisting control tactics yourself, you're not likely 'being fed' spiritually through their messages or fellowship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,994 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.74 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 57 minutes ago, KC02 said: Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? I would not stick around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walla299 Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,167 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 1,727 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1961 Share Posted January 29, 2018 1 hour ago, KC02 said: Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? Short version: Run, do not walk away. If it walks like a cult, talks like a cult, smells like a cult . . . it just might be a cult. Keep looking for a real Bible teaching church. They are out there, but are getting harder to find. Your spiritual well being is too important. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 11 hours ago, KC02 said: Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? Hard to judge for certain without specifics but I would say leave them and find a better church. No pastor would keep a congregant from looking for a different church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 962 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,728 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,117 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 29, 2018 12 hours ago, KC02 said: Hi guys, I am in a new town so I just found a new church. Let me run a few things by some of you elders. Is anything wrong with this doctrine : the soul is saved but the outside man is not. I see things differently through my Christian worldview, but I'm not sure I should argue this. The leaders seem to want everyone to submit to them. This is biblical but they seem to be on a power trip. They mock the notion that God may lead somebody to another church. I'm afraid that this atmosphere could lead to abuse and certainly bondage. If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Don't get me wrong, this church has a lot going for it. The church and pastors are young. I am certain they are not creating this atmosphere on purpose. The one thing I can't stand is that they create long fancy non biblical titles for themselves and expect everyone to submit to them. perhaps I am exaggerating a bit. Perhaps this is not fair. If if I stick around, they will be training me for leadership. Any thoughts on how I can improve the atmosphere? Do you want a long fancy title for yourself? The answer to that question alone ought to give you answer enough to know whether to stay, or to not only visit elsewhere, but to flee with all haste and never ever look back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.94 Reputation: 7,798 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 LEAVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heleadethme Posted January 29, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 3,268 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2018 14 hours ago, KC02 said: If you are afraid to visit or move to another church, that is bondage. Amen........you said right......exactly right. Think you know what you need to do, but just looking for confirmation.....flee it, amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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