Is communion symbolic or literal?

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, simplejeff said:

Do you know originally what religion did the abominable deception of drinking real blood come from ?

actually I have no idea who first did that .   

[Heleadethme]

On 2/19/2018 at 4:45 AM, LionHeart-IV said:

Is communion symbolic or literal?

Here is something precious the Lord was gracious to reveal one time.  Communion is not just symbolic, but neither is it literal.....but actually kind of in between.....it is by proxy.  It's a prophetic act, much as baptism is a prophetic enactment of the old man dying and us being resurrected to new life by faith.  The principle is first the natural, then the spiritual.....when we do something in the natural realm, which seals it by faith in the spiritual realm as it were.  The Israelites of old would eat of the sacrifices (or the priests would eat it on their behalf), and by so doing the sacrifice was applied to them.  Just as they had to eat the Passover Lamb in order for that sacrifice to be applied to them and their household and escape the plague.  This is why we are to discern the Lord's body when we partake of the Lord's supper....because we are eating His body by proxy, so to speak, thus partaking of His sacrifice.  We are RE-membering His death until He comes.....re-enacting it so to speak, re-applying the sacrifice.  This is NOT transubstantiation, though it is something more real and powerful than a mere symbol.  It is His Body and Blood by proxy......the bread and wine standing in for His Body and Blood.  Having communion is a spiritual weapon, just as prayer is, and baptism.....as ordained and given by the Lord.

John 6:47-56

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

I am the bread of life.

Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.

But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

 

1Corinthians 10:15-18

I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

 

Something else that is precious is what we can learn from Job who would sacrifice on behalf of His children in case of unknown sins committed by them........Likewise as believing parents whose children are therefore sanctified, and also when there is an unbelieving spouse who is sanctified by the believing spouse, we can likewise intercede as priests by eating the body and blood of Christ on their behalf.  How precious, and how powerful in the Spirit in this way to RE-mind the Father of His Son's sacrifice and by faith applying it our children and unbelieving spouses.  One Lamb for a household, glory to God, amen.

 

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

Do you know originally what religion did the abominable deception of drinking real blood come from ?

actually I have no idea who first did that .   

Me either.

Do you happen to know when it got adopted from the pagan religions into the catholic religion after constantine and others gained power ?

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

actually I have no idea who first did that .   

Jeff who was it .    as much wickedness as rome has done ,   I can guess Rome .  but since I don't know who was it jeff.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, simplejeff said:

Me either.

Do you happen to know when it got adopted from the pagan religions into the catholic religion after constantine and others gained power ?

Wait.   did not the Babylonians , do something like that.   The drinking of any blood is mentioned as evil in the bible.

I know that early christains were falsely accused of drinking blood and even eating the flesh of babies .  

But it was a lie of course .  

[frienduff thaylorde]

41 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Here is something precious the Lord was gracious to reveal one time.  Communion is not just symbolic, but neither is it literal.....but actually kind of in between.....it is by proxy.  It's a prophetic act, much as baptism is a prophetic enactment of the old man dying and us being resurrected to new life by faith.  The principle is first the natural, then the spiritual.....when we do something in the natural realm, which seals it by faith in the spiritual realm as it were.  The Israelites of old would eat of the sacrifices (or the priests would eat it on their behalf), and by so doing the sacrifice was applied to them.  Just as they had to eat the Passover Lamb in order for that sacrifice to be applied to them and their household and escape the plague.  This is why we are to discern the Lord's body when we partake of the Lord's supper....because we are eating His body by proxy, so to speak, thus partaking of His sacrifice.  We are RE-membering His death until He comes.....re-enacting it so to speak, re-applying the sacrifice.  This is NOT transubstantiation, though it is something more real and powerful than a mere symbol.  It is His Body and Blood by proxy......the bread and wine standing in for His Body and Blood.  Having communion is a spiritual weapon, just as prayer is, and baptism.....as ordained and given by the Lord.

John 6:47-56

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

I am the bread of life.

Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died.

But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

 

1Corinthians 10:15-18

I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

 

Something else that is precious is what we can learn from Job who would sacrifice on behalf of His children in case of unknown sins committed by them........Likewise as believing parents whose children are therefore sanctified, and also when there is an unbelieving spouse who is sanctified by the believing spouse, we can likewise intercede as priests by eating the body and blood of Christ on their behalf.  How precious, and how powerful in the Spirit in this way to RE-mind the Father of His Son's sacrifice and by faith applying it our children and unbelieving spouses.  One Lamb for a household, glory to God, amen.

 

The beauty of it is ,   Jesus actually tells them ,  my words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .

and yes as believing parents we do pray intercession prayers for the youngsters.    In the end though they must come to Christ .

As you well know that too sister.     the partaking of the whole of the sacrifice of being crucified in Christ .   is the whole of who we serve .

we eat of his words , of his spirit we are made and joined as one with  Him.     that was a beauty what you said above about the communion.