What if we are wrong?

[Guest MindonFire]

Your question is a broad one.

What if??? What if what???    What have we been taught incorrectly?  I think the original post is setting us up for something.

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Good Day Shiloh357

I can see from your post that you are either Jewish or a staunch defender of Israel.

A question for you my good freind. What if Israel is wrong? While answering this remember

Proverbs 28:17 A man that doeth violence to the blood of [any] person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him.

[nebula]

Remember one of the questions that was asked at the beginning of this thread was "what if the Messias is already here, but I am restricted from seeing him because I am blinded by the image of him that I have built in my mind from other peoples perceptions?

Yeah, I remember that question -

And I have no idea how that question reconciles with what Scripture teaches.

[Guest MindonFire]

Remember one of the questions that was asked at the beginning of this thread was "what if the Messias is already here, but I am restricted from seeing him because I am blinded by the image of him that I have built in my mind from other peoples perceptions?

Yeah, I remember that question -

And I have no idea how that question reconciles with what Scripture teaches.

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I will post a reply to the above question in time Nebula

Peace

[Gerioke]

Umm... My God is not one who scoffs at me. I'm sorry your god has that kind of relationship with you.

John 3: 13 No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.

14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

17 For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

[Guest MindonFire]

Good day Bro David

You State

The Bible says we are no longer in the old law.

God is never the author of Confusion.

I might be slightly direct here but, You did not hear Gods voice.

God would not contradict Himself at any point.

He will never be the author of Confusion.

It is amazing how when somebody claims to hear the voice of God we Christians in America immediately jump to the conclusion that it was an evil spirit without examining the facts.(Unless he or she is the president , and the voice has told him to go kill evil Muslims, but that

[Guest MindonFire]

Umm... My God is not one who scoffs at me. I'm sorry your god has that kind of relationship with you.

John 3: 13 No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.

14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

17 For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

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No problem Keep the Image that you have of him

[Gerioke]

So what is it you think we should be doing thats different than what we've done?

[Fiosh]

Gerioke and Fiosh I will answer your posts at the same time since they basically contain the same sentiments

Gerioke you state

I can't believe God would mock us for our ignorance. If He were to lose us I would imagine Him crying out to us to turn from our transgressions.

That was not God talking you.

Fiosh you state

When I read your post it was not so much the words of "God", but the tone that stood out for me. God does not "laugh derisively" at His children. I do not recognize that tone from anywhere in God's word.

Firstly one of the worst things that we can have as believers is the wrong image about God and his Messias. Remember one of the questions that was asked at the beginning of this thread was "what if the Messias is already here, but I am restricted from seeing him because I am blinded by the image of him that I have built in my mind from other peoples perceptions?

Now lets take a look at Proverbs 1:20-27 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, [saying],

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Pay special attention to verses 20-27

Pay special attention to verses 20-27

Now look at Psalms 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

Also look at Psalms 59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

You see I had become a heathen, and I didn

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1 John 2

1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk (peripateo) just as He walked.

[pre]peripateo:

1. to walk

a. to make one's way, progress; to make due use of opportunities

b. Hebrew for, to live

1. to regulate one's life

2. to conduct one's self

3. to pass one's life [/pre]

Hrm...He was a Jew....we are supposed to live like He would....

[Fiosh]

1 John 2

1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk (peripateo) just as He walked.

[pre]peripateo:

1. to walk

a. to make one's way, progress; to make due use of opportunities

b. Hebrew for, to live

1. to regulate one's life

2. to conduct one's self

3. to pass one's life [/pre]

Hrm...He was a Jew....we are supposed to live like He would....

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RE: "He was a Jew....we are supposed to live like He would"

Could you expound on that a bit. I'm not sure I get your point.

Thanks,

Fiosh