What if we are wrong?

[Gerioke]

1 John 2

1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk (peripateo) just as He walked.

[pre]peripateo:

1. to walk

a. to make one's way, progress; to make due use of opportunities

b. Hebrew for, to live

1. to regulate one's life

2. to conduct one's self

3. to pass one's life [/pre]

Hrm...He was a Jew....we are supposed to live like He would....

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Are we supposed to go and find twelve disciples ? Are we supposed to go riding into Jeruslahem on a donkey?

Are we supposed to claim to be Son of God?

[M45510G1C]

Are we supposed to go and find twelve disciples ? Are we supposed to go riding into Jeruslahem on a donkey?

Are we supposed to claim to be Son of God?

Those are very good questions, and something we should all seriously consider.

What does it mean to live like Christ?

It is obvious that there are things that Christ did that we cannot do, or that we do not need to do (dying for the sins of the world comes ot mind).

But what can we do to truly make our lives more Christlike?

Could you expound on that a bit. I'm not sure I get your point.

How would a Jew live?

What is it that makes the way a Jew lives distinctive from the way others live?

[Gerioke]

Are we supposed to go and find twelve disciples ? Are we supposed to go riding into Jeruslahem on a donkey?

Are we supposed to claim to be Son of God?

Those are very good questions, and something we should all seriously consider.

What does it mean to live like Christ?

Could you expound on that a bit. I'm not sure I get your point.

How would a Jew live?

What is it that makes the way a Jew lives distinctive from the way others live?

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I've never really lived amongst the biblical jews. I can only go by what scripture tells me. Jesus said they didn't get it.

Hmmmm... How does one sort this out?

[M45510G1C]

I've never really lived amongst the biblical jews. I can only go by what scripture tells me. Jesus said they didn't get it.

Hmmmm... How does one sort this out?

You're right, most of the Jews didn't get it. But some did. His 12 disciples come to mind.

What was it that the Jews were doing that was wrong? In what way were they missing the point?

They were wrapping themselves in legalism, forgetting about a personal relationship with Yahweh. They strained out a gnat but swallowed a camel. They took the Law which had been handed down to them and ran with it, adding rule upon rule to it. They did not understand the purpose of the Law. It was not there to justify man, but to point out man's need for Yahweh. It wasn't about loving Yahweh enough to follow His commandments for them, it was about looking good in the community.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for  ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:  these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Does this mean that the Law (Torah) is bad? Did Christ ever tell anyone to stop obeying the Law? Did Christ obey the Law? How about Paul?

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of Elohim is perfected in him.  By this we know that we are in Him.  He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:5-6

What is the Word of Elohim that we should keep?

"Blessed are those whose Lawless (anomia) deeds have been forgiven, and whose sin has been covered." Rom. 4:7

anomia

1. the condition of without law

a. because ignorant of it

b. because of violating it

2. contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

If we are not to keep the Law, why must our Lawless deeds be forgiven?

[tsth]

I've never really lived amongst the biblical jews. I can only go by what scripture tells me. Jesus said they didn't get it.

Hmmmm... How does one sort this out?

You're right, most of the Jews didn't get it. But some did. His 12 disciples come to mind.

What was it that the Jews were doing that was wrong? In what way were they missing the point?

They were wrapping themselves in legalism, forgetting about a personal relationship with Yahweh. They strained out a gnat but swallowed a camel. They took the Law which had been handed down to them and ran with it, adding rule upon rule to it. They did not understand the purpose of the Law. It was not there to justify man, but to point out man's need for Yahweh. It wasn't about loving Yahweh enough to follow His commandments for them, it was about looking good in the community.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for

[apothanein kerdos]

Anyone who claims to have spoken to God, yet God's voice and words are so contradictory to what His word says, is nothing more than a nut not worthy of a debate. I wouldn't waste your time people.

[M45510G1C]

Anyone who claims to have spoken to God, yet God's voice and words are so contradictory to what His word says, is nothing more than a nut not worthy of a debate. I wouldn't waste your time people.

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Perhaps I missed something, but I don't see what is so off base about what he said.

[nebula]

This was where he lost me.

What if  Messias is already hear but I am restricted from seeing him because I am blinded by the image of him that I have built in my mind from other peoples perceptions.

And I'm still waiting for him to explain this.

[Fiosh]

Are we supposed to go and find twelve disciples ? Are we supposed to go riding into Jeruslahem on a donkey?

Are we supposed to claim to be Son of God?

Those are very good questions, and something we should all seriously consider.

What does it mean to live like Christ?

It is obvious that there are things that Christ did that we cannot do, or that we do not need to do (dying for the sins of the world comes ot mind).

But what can we do to truly make our lives more Christlike?

Could you expound on that a bit. I'm not sure I get your point.

How would a Jew live?

What is it that makes the way a Jew lives distinctive from the way others live?

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With all due respect, I believe you are missing the point. To "walk as He(Jesus) walked" does not imply that we should imitate His "Jew-ness". The Bible makes very clear to us what it means to follow Jesus.

The Bible also makes it clear that we do not need to become Jewish before becoming Christian. Read Acts 15.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Gerioke]

Does he think he is the messiah?