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                                                           The Four Horsemen of Revelation 6

 

The Four Horsemen of Rev 6 are loosed upon Jesus breaking each of the first four Seals.

These four events are used by Satan to try and retain his power. Satan will know his dictatorship of this world is about to end.  He realizes that once this Scroll is opened, his dominion over the earth is lost and that the dead in Christ will rise to spend eternity with Him. Satan will attempt to thwart its opening at all costs. As Jesus opens each of the first four seals, Satan attacks the saints with cunning and malicious intent. The reaction to the opening of these first four seals represents Satan’s attempt to cause the Bride of Christ to commit apostasy. If he cannot do this, he attempts to kill her. We must remember that it is not God’s wrath being poured out  yet, it is Satan fighting back against Jesus.

Although Jesus opens the seals, the riders of the horses themselves cause all the events.

The rider of the white horse carries a bow and is intent on conquering.

The rider of the red horse takes peace of mind from the earth.

The rider of the black horse sets the high price for grain.

The rider of the green horse is death itself.

Jesus opening the seals is not proof that these events  are  the Wrath of God. The horses and horsemen that come out with the opening of the first four seals represent  Satan’s  attempts to disrupt God’s plan to redeem the world. Satan cannot stop the Scroll from opening. His only strategy will be to take down as many Christians as possible.

Before going further, we should look at the color of the fourth horse. Most Bible translations render the Greek word “CHLOROS” as ‘pale’.  But the Holy Spirit chose CHLOROS, the Greek word from which we get ‘CHLOROPHYLL”……….which is the substance in a plant that makes it green, a very deep, vibrant green.  (perhaps the translators chose pale because the horse is known as the ‘death’ horse, so pale seemed a better choice)

The White Horse and Rider:

                         “And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him, and he went forth conquering and to conquer” ……. Rev 6:2

The rider of the white horse is a deceiver, just as Jesus prophesied in Math 24:4-5. He wants to appear as a messiah, so he rides a white  horse.

                        “ And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ’, and will mislead many”….Math 24:4-5

and he that sat on him had a BOW’…….. If we look into Scripture for the first use of the word ‘bow’ (law of primacy)…..we find it in Gen 9:13……….

         “I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between me and the earth”

This is a picture of God “hanging up His weapon in the sky” as a sign of a covenant that he would not destroy the earth with water again.

Since John was referring to this verse in Genesis, it would imply that the rider of the white horse was ‘Hanging up his weapon(s) and entering into a covenant”.

Look at these passages about a false covenant:

        “Because you have said “ We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol  we have made a pact. The overwhelming scourge will not reach us when it passes by; for we have made falsehood our refuge, and we have concealed ourselves with deception”……….Isa28:15

          “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the midst of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate”……Dan9:27

Not only does “bow’ equate with a covenant, but scripture shows us it equates with ‘deception’ as well.

               “They are a deceptive bow; their princes fall by the sword”……. Hos7:16

“And a crown was given unto him”……..John in Revelation is here showing us that the rider of the white horse will deceptively appear as Jesus or a messiah figure, and will be both the religious and political leader at that time.

and he went forth conquering and to conquer”…… This is not a military conquer. It is used in connection with a spiritual conquering. It is the Greek word NIKAO, and is usually translated “overcoming”

                “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good”…..Rom12:21

                 “In the world you have tribulation, but take courage, I have overcome the world”…..John16:37

                 “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world – our faith”……..1 John 5:4

So…the rider of the white horse is a deceiver. He carries a false peace treaty, and his crown and white horse show that he is trying to appear as a messiah in Jesus’ place. All these descriptions fit the Antichrist very well………who is the rider of the white horse.

 

The  Red Horse and Rider

“A red horse went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him”…..Rev 6:4

Ability to take peace from the earth…… Jesus told his followers (us) that ….”You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end, for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom”….Math 24:6-7

The Antichrist appears as a man of peace and confirms the covenant with the many, and now he mounts a red horse, a war horse, and removes that peace, and the world is horrified.

The rider  of the red horse is given a great (MEGAS) sword. The word ‘’MEGAS’’ in Greek means the ‘ultimate’.  So what weapon is the ultimate in our world?  The NUCLEAR BOMB is the most fearful weapon of all time.  It is quite likely that the great sword of Rev 6:4 is a nuclear missle.

“Earthquakes in divers places”….Math 24:7…..Earthquakes is from the Greek word SEISMOS, and may be an earthquake or any natural or man-made disaster. A nuclear blast is certainly a great shaking and a disaster.

The Red Horse and Riders purpose is warfare, spiritual and military. It causes those on the earth to respect the might of the beast, eventually leading to worship. It won’t be a worship based on love, but one based on fear, fear of the Beast’s power to kill and destroy. This is why Jesus tells us in Luke 21:9 to “not be frightened” when the red horse rides.

The Black Horse and its Rider

                     “I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard something like a voice in the centre of the four living creatures saying “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine”….Rev 6:6-7

Could the Rider on the Red Horse have caused so much destruction that now the world is in an economic turmoil and subsequent famine?  It appears to be that way. The Antichrist is using the famine to his advantage and is selling food, a meal or two for one person for a day’s wages.  Is it at this time that the False Prophet begins to require the Antichrist’s Mark of the Beast? 

                “He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a MARK on their right hand or their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name”…..Rev 13:16-17

The Green Horse and its Rider

After the fourth seal is broken, Satan unleashes his ultimate attempt to retain his dominion. Jesus tells us this time of the 70th week will be like nothing the world has ever experienced.

IT WILL BE THE GREAT TRIBULATION

It is at this point he begins the most wide-spread persecution of Christians and Jews that the world has ever seen.

               ‘And then there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time”…..Dan 12:1

                “For then there will be great tribulation, such as not occurred since the beginning of the worls until now, nor ever will”….Math 24:21

Let’s look at the colors of the four horses. WHITE, RED, BLACK AND GREEN. The flags of Islamic nations in the Middle East, all of them contain only these four colors. Some two, some three and some all four. But NO other colors. GREEN was Mohammed’s favorite color, and is considered the color of Islam.

                   “ An ashen (CHLOROS-Vibrant Green) horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth”…..Rev 6:8

Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth”….. could mean ¼ of the earth’s population, or it could mean their power to kill was restricted to 25% of the earth’s land mass. If declared Christianity represents approx. 30% of the world’s population,  (not all ‘born again’ believers), and is severe as Jesus and Daniel tell us, then perhaps these are the ones that the Antichrist goes after. (the Jews also)

If we look at these Four Horses and their Riders, we see that they correspond to the first four seals that are opened.

In no way can they ride before the 70th week begins.

 

 

 

 

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Satan understands he is defeated, the only chance he had was to seduce Jesus in the Desert, then he tried to kill him thinking that would end his earthly rule, not understanding Jesus had to be sacrificed to break Satan's hold over mankind via sin. Now all who chose, can be washed in his blood. Satan knows he is a defeated foe, Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father.

The Church blocks the Anti-Christ from coming forth, the gates of hell can not prevail against the Church. When Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to come forth, the Beast System will (only) come back together as its been trying to do for 2000 years. Jesus just stops blocking it, he Raptures the Church, and stops blocking the Beast from reconstituting. By the time Satan realizes he can overthrow the World again via this Man, he will get cast out of Heaven and have great anger, but he knows he can't defeat God, now he will seek to deceive and kill as many people as he can and take them to hell with him. He especially hates the Jews and will try to kill everyone of them that he can, because without the Jews, there would have been no SEED (Jesus).

So the Seals are opened, The anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer and Satan is cast out of Heaven all at about the same time. This is the Lambs Wrath or Gods Wrath. Jesus releasing a BEAST SYSTEM onto the world where he kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people, mostly Muslims, is Gods Wrath at Mankind. (He gives the world their JUST DUE and their HEARTS DESIRE, self rule.)

The Anti-Christ causes all the events in the first four horses. He Conquers, he takes away the PEACE he came to power under false pretenses of peace. His wars, etc. etc. causes famine along with God not giving rain (the Two-witnesses can pray THAT IT NOT RAIN), and of Course DEATH and the GRAVE are a result of all this. 

Edited by Revelation Man

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Up until this point, the Lord had been holding back His judgment against the planet, with the Restrainer (The Holy Spirit) putting a limit on man's wickedness and limiting Satan's evil. But once the Restrainer stops restraining, and the Lord removes the Church, He then breaks the seals of the scroll. Each one is the Lord permitting man's wickedness to run unchecked, and the emergence of a man the world will love and adore as their own. It will be this individual tat Satan will ultimately take as his own, give power and authority (Rev. 13) and bring forth as his "masterpiece".

Often in Scripture, the judgments hat the Lord has handed down has been removing His hand of protection and turning those who commit wickedness over to their own lusts (Romans 1). In this case, the Lord begins allowing man to suffer the consequences: one seeking to conquer and claim victory will set the stage for a bloody war, on whose heels will follow famine, widespread pandemic and illness, and ultimately death. Anyone who has come to trust in the Lord after the Rapture will be targeted by a vicious and vindictive world, who will slay them out of utter rage and hatred. Sixth seal will unleash the stars falling to the earth, the sky vanishing, the sun and moon giving no light and becoming like blood, and an earthquake that shakes the mountains and islands out of place.

All of this will culminate in the seventh seal being opened, and the Trumpet judgments commencing.

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9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Church blocks the Anti-Christ from coming forth, the gates of hell can not prevail against the Church. When Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to come forth, the Beast System will only come back together as its been trying to do for 2000 years. Jesus just stops blocking it, he Raptures the Church, and stops blocking the Beast from reconstituting. By the time Satan realizes he can overthrow the World again via this Man, he will get cast out of Heaven and have great anger, but he knows he can't defeat God, now he will seek to deceive and kill as many people as he can and take them to hell with him. He especially hates the Jews and will try to kill everyone he can, because without the Jews, there would have been no SEED (Jesus).

So the Seals are opened, The anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer and Satan is cast out of Heaven all at about the same time. This is the Lambs Wrath or Gods Wrath. Jesus releasing a BEAST SYSTEM onto the world where he kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people, mostly Muslims, is Gods Wrath at Mankind. 

The Anti-Christ causes all the events in the first four horses. He Conquers, he takes away the PEACE he came to power under false pretenses of peace. His wars, etc. etc. causes famine along with God not giving rain (the Two-witnesses can pray THAT IT NOT RAIN), and of Course DEATH and the GRAVE are a result of all this. 

Hi RM....

"The Church blocks the Anti-Christ from coming forth.................

Speculation. I don't believe that the Church has that kind of power. If the Church had the power to block the Antichrist, then why haven't they blocked his power for the past 2000 years?

Then you say..."Jesus just stops blocking it"........ (Sounds like there may be some confusion there)

When Jesus opens the first seal, this then begins the 70th week. The first four seals occur during the first half of the 70th week.

The events surrounding the opening of the first four seals show these events are not random, but rather are a well orchestrated plan by Satan to deceive both believers and unbelievers into worshiping the Beast. This case of scripture-interpreting-scripture proves that the events brought on by the four horsemen are Satan's doing and NOT God's. Satan releases one horseman during each of the first four years of the 70th week of Daniel. These horsemen then ride God's spirit beings (horses) onto the world stage. This is God who grants Satan permission to send out his horsemen throughout the earth, to further God's purposes to bring about the end of the age and His final judgment upon the earth.

It is after the sixth seal that the Wrath of God begins. The dead in Christ are resurrected, those alive in Christ are raptured......then God unleashes his Wrath upon the world.....Rev 6:12-17....Math 24:29-31

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi RM....

"The Church blocks the Anti-Christ from coming forth.................

Speculation. I don't believe that the Church has that kind of power. If the Church had the power to block the Antichrist, then why haven't they blocked his power for the past 2000 years?

We are not speaking of Satan's deed to rule over this World per se, but Satan's building of his Beast System to its ZENITH. Notice, we went from Babylon, to Persia, to Greece to Rome and Satan was building his masterpiece, then Jesus came along and died for our sins and the Church took Satan's "Roman Beast"  and eventually turned it into a conveyor belt of the Gospel thus...The Mortal Wound...and a 2000 year gap of no Beast Government that dominates the known world. 

Once the Church Departs, that which restrains the Beast System from regrouping to full capacity, the Holy Spirit WORKING through the Church, is taken out of the way. So we have blocked the Anti-Christ from coming forth, Satan doesn't know the future, God does, so he has to CONTINUALLY have a man ready to go, when God allows him to go forth, but Satan's thinking isn't like that, hes actually trying to rally people together to conquer the whole world all the time, Hitler was just one of his many failures. Since he hates the Jews, Satan didn't have much to worry about until 1948, but he still tried to wipe them out through Hitler. Thus he will raise up a man, in Europe, where they have close ties with the Mediterranean Sea Region, and thus feign some sort of PEACE, then he will break that peace in the middle of the week as seen in Daniel 11:40-43. The agreement is with MANY [NATIONS] not just Israel, the E.U. already have agreements with Israel and MANY OTHERS via the European Neighborhood Policy:

The European Neighborhood Policy governs the EU's relations with 16 of the its closest Eastern and Southern Neighbors. To the South: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine*, Syria** and Tunisia....... STAY TUNED !! These are the MANY spoken of in Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 and as I stated in Dan. 11:40-43. 

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Then you say..."Jesus just stops blocking it"........ (Sounds like there may be some confusion there)

 When Jesus opens the first seal, this then begins the 70th week. The first four seals occur during the first half of the 70th week.

The Church is taken out of the way before the 70th week starts (a 7 year period) but the Beast rules for only 42 Months, thus the First Seal allows the Beast to go forth Conquering, but as soon as the Church is Raptured he starts making his plans, he has to gain these Nations trust first. He builds a rapport with these MANY NATIONS, then he reneges on his (Covenant) promises/agreements in the Middle of the Week or at the 3.5 year mark, when Jesus opens the First Seal. So Jesus raptures the Church, then the Anti-Christ via the Red Dragons encouragement sets the wheels in motion, but he has to build relationships and trust first. THEN.....Jesus releases him to go forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.....so why would you think there is a whole week left when the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer ? There is 3.5 years left, this is called the Day of the Lord, it begets Gods Wrath. 

The First seal is the White Horse (Anti-Christ) who conquers thus becoming the Beast. The SAME MAN takes away his fake peace and is thus also the Red Horse, the same man causes Famine via his wars but God also can hold back the rain via the Two-witnesses prayers. Lastly the Pale Green Horse is a result of all this mans actions, Death & the Grave. 

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

The events surrounding the opening of the first four seals show these events are not random, but rather are a well orchestrated plan by Satan to deceive both believers and unbelievers into worshiping the Beast. This case of scripture-interpreting-scripture proves that the events brought on by the four horsemen are Satan's doing and NOT God's. Satan releases one horseman during each of the first four years of the 70th week of Daniel. These horsemen then ride God's spirit beings (horses) onto the world stage. This is God who grants Satan permission to send out his horsemen throughout the earth, to further God's purposes to bring about the end of the age and His final judgment upon the earth.

 

Well he will try to deceive everyone on earth, but the Church of course is in Heaven at this time. The Believers in Christ who have given their hearts to Christ after the Rapture no doubt are AWARE of what's going on, after all, close to a Billion Christians or more, all died at one time (Rapture). Satan will try to force them to Worship him or die, thus they are the BEHEADED MARTYRS under the Alter at the 5th Seal (some will probably be weak and serve the Beast). The Jews will be targeted, both the 1/3 who repented and are protected in Petra by God AND the 2/3 who do not repent, and are thus killed by the Anti-Christ. 

Jesus OPENED the Seals and cast Satan out of Heaven onto the World ON PURPOSE. So if God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, through the Church, has been holding back the coming of the LAST BEAST for 2000 some odd years, but then allows him to COME FORTH, it would seem that Jesus/God is fed up with mankind on earth, thus he Raptures His Church out before he is set to begin His Wrath. AGAIN......Jesus opens the Seals.....

Jesus OPENS THE SEALS BROTHER !! 

These Horsemen just represent EVENTS/Circumstances brought forth by the Anti-Christ/Beast. 

Jesus Opens the Seven Seals and the 7 Trumpets come forth from the 7th Seal and the 7 Vials come forth from the 7th Trumpet. So all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals. Jesus releases it all because its Gods Wrath.

2 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 It is after the sixth seal that the Wrath of God begins. The dead in Christ are resurrected, those alive in Christ are raptured......then God unleashes his Wrath upon the world.....Rev 6:12-17....Math 24:29-31

 

The Dead in Christ and the Living in Christ are Raptured pre 70th Week. The Wrath of God begins with the opening of the Seven Seals. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming, not the Rapture brother. 

Edited by Revelation Man

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36 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

We are not speaking of Satan's deed to rule over this World per se, but Satan's building of his Beast System to its ZENITH. Notice, we went from Babylon, to Persia, to Greece to Rome and Satan was building his masterpiece, then Jesus came along and died for our sins and the Church took Satan's "Roman Beast"  and eventually turned it into a conveyor belt of the Gospel thus...The Mortal Wound...and a 2000 year gap of no Beast Government that dominates the known world. 

Once the Church Departs, that which restrains the Beast System from regrouping to full capacity, the Holy Spirit WORKING through the Church, is taken out of the way. So we have blocked the Anti-Christ from coming forth, Satan doesn't know the future, God does, so he has to CONTINUALLY have a man ready to go, when God allows him to go forth, but Satan's thinking isn't like that, hes actually trying to rally people together to conquer the whole world all the time, Hitler was just one of his many failures. Since he hates the Jews, Satan didn't have much to worry about until 1948, but he still tried to wipe them out through Hitler. Thus he will raise up a man, in Europe, where they have close ties with the Mediterranean Sea Region, and thus feign some sort of PEACE, then he will break that peace in the middle of the week as seen in Daniel 11:40-43. The agreement is with MANY [NATIONS] not just Israel, the E.U. already have agreements with Israel and via the European Neighborhood Policy:

The European Neighborhood Policy governs the EU's relations with 16 of the its closest Eastern and Southern Neighbors. To the South: Algeria, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Palestine*, Syria** and Tunisia....... STAY TUNED !! These are the MANY spoken of in Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 and as I stated in Dan. 11:40-43. 

The Church is taken out of the way before the 70th week starts (a 7 year period) but the Beast rules for only 42 Months, thus the First Seal allows the Beast ti go forth Conquering, but as soon as the Church is Raptured he starts making his plans, he has to gain these Nations trust first. He builds a rapport with these MANY NATIONS, then he reneges on his (Covenant) promises/agreements in the Middle of the Week or at the 3.5 year mark, when Jesus opens the First Seal. So Jesus raptures the Church, then the Anti-Christ via the Red Dragons encouragement sets the wheels in motion, but he has to build relationships and trust first. THEN...Jesus releases him to go forth in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK...so why would you think there is a whole week left when the Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer ? There is 3.5 years left, this is called the Day of the Lord, it begets Gods Wrath. 

The First seal is the White Horse (Anti-Christ) who conquers thus becoming the Beast. The SAME MAN takes away his fake peace an is thus the Red Horse also, the same man cause Famine via his wars but God also can hold back the rain via the Two-witnesses prayers. Lastly the Pale Green Horse is a result of all this mans actions, Death & the Grave. 

Well he will try to deceive everyone on earth, but the Church of course is in Heaven at this time. The Believers in Christ who have given their hearts to Christ after the Rapture no doubt are AWARE of what's going on, after all, close to a Billion Christians all died at one time (Rapture). Satan will try to force them to Worship him or die, thus they are the BEHEADED MARTYRS under the Alter at the 5th Seal. The Jews will be targeted, both the 1/3 who repented and are protected in Petra by God AND the 2/3 who do not repent, and are thus killed by the Anti-Christ. 

Jesus OPENED the Seals and cast Satan out of Heaven onto the World ON PURPOSE. So if God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, through the Church, has been holding back the coming of the LAST BEAST for 2000 some odd years, then allows him to COM FORTH, it would seem that Jesus/God is fed up with mankind on earth, thus he Raptures His Church out before he is set to begin His Wrath. AGAIN......Jesus opens the Seals.....

Jesus OPENS THE SEALS BROTHER !! 

These Horsemen just represent EVENTS/Circumstances brought forth by the Anti-Christ/Beast. 

Jesus Opens the Seven Seals and the 7 Trumpets come forth from the 7th Seal and the 7 Vials come forth from the 7th Trumpet. So all of Gods Wrath comes forth from the Seven Seals. Jesus releases it all because its Gods Wrath.

The Dead in Christ and the Living in Christ are Rapture pre 70th Week. The Wrath of God begins with the opening of the Seven Seals. Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming, not the Rapture brother. 

Hi RM....

It would be good to see some supporting scripture for everything that you have said.

I'll just respond to your last statement.

Mathew 24:29-31 IS the Rapture/Resurrection, not the second coming. Here is the difference....... 

In the Rapture/Resurrection, Jesus sends His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and it is the angels that gathers His elect....Math 24:31

In the Second Coming, Jesus rides a white horse, followed by the armies in heaven, and with a sharp sword, He smites the nations.....Rev 19:11-16

Completely different my friend.

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30 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi RM....

It would be good to see some supporting scripture for everything that you have said.

We are all supposed to know the bible, so my point by point thesis was pretty evident, its about the Four Horsemen. I gave Scriptures for the MANY in Daniel 8:25, 9:27 and 11:40-43, people just have to look them up, that saves space and time right ? I just thought everyone knew those passages anyway. 

50 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Mathew 24:29-31 IS the Rapture/Resurrection, not the second coming. Here is the difference....... 

In the Rapture/Resurrection, Jesus sends His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and it is the angels that gathers His elect....Math 24:31

In the Second Coming, Jesus rides a white horse, followed by the armies in heaven, and with a sharp sword, He smites the nations.....Rev 19:11-16

Completely different my friend.

Firstly, the White Horse is a METAPHOR for CONQUERING, secondly if we actually ride White Horses that is what will be happening in Matthew 24:29-31 because the ELECT are Gathered from the Four Corners of Heaven (where we are at, marrying the Lamb). 

The differences in the Rapture and the Second Coming are listed below:

Jesus wraps up the Bible with a promise that one day He will return: “Surely I am coming quickly” (Revelation 22).

The fulfillment of this promise stands out as one of the most prolifically talked about events in the whole Bible. Nearly 500 prophecies in the Old Testament and one out of 25 verses in the New Testament concern Jesus’ Second Coming.

There are so many verses about this topic, it’s enough to make one’s head spin!

Second Coming Verses
John 14:1-3; Romans 8:19; 1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22; Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19; 4:13-18; 5:9,23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:28; James 5:7-9; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 5:4; 1 John 2:28-3:2; Jude 21; Revelation 2:25; 3:10; Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3; Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15; Matthew 13:41; 24:15-31; 26:64; Mark 13:14-27; 14:62; Luke 21:25-28; Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8; 1 Peter 4:12-13; 2 Peter 3:1-14; Jude 14-15; Revelation 1:7; 19:11-20:6; 22:7,12,20

But, when you start reading all these verses about Jesus’ return, you’ll notice something very peculiar. They appear to tell two very different stories. It’s as if these verses could be divided into two camps.

Rapture
Second Coming
John 14:1-3; Romans 8:19; 1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22; Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5; Colossians 3:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19; 4:13-18; 5:9,23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3; 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:28; James 5:7-9; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 5:4; 1 John 2:28-3:2; Jude 21; Revelation 2:25; 3:10 Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3; Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15; Matthew 13:41; 24:15-31; 26:64; Mark 13:14-27; 14:62; Luke 21:25-28; Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8; 1 Peter 4:12-13; 2 Peter 3:1-14; Jude 14-15; Revelation 1:7; 19:11-20:6;

Let’s title the first column “Rapture” after 1 Thessalonians 4:17’s use of the Latin word “rapio” which means “to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out.” And, let’s also thin the list out a little to concentrate on the most descriptive passages.

Rapture
Second Coming
John 14; 1 Corinthians 15; 1 Thessalonians 4 Zechariah 14; Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; Revelation 19

What does this mean then? Is the Rapture and Second Coming the same event?

To answer this question, let’s look at 20 ways in which the Rapture and the Second Coming verses differ.

 
Rapture
Second Coming
1
Jesus appears in the sky and then ascends up to Heaven.
Jesus appears in the sky and then descends down to the earth.
2
Jesus gathers those who are saved, called the Church, from the earth.
Jesus gathers those who are saved, called the Church, from Heaven.
3
Jesus leaves behind those on the earth who are not saved, the Unrighteous, to begin enduring the wrath of God.
Jesus returns and confronts those on the earth who are not saved, the Unrighteous, to finish enduring the wrath of God.
4
The resurrected Church meets Jesus up in the clouds.
Mortal believers, called the Tribulation Saints, meet Jesus down on the earth.
5
The destination of the Church is Heaven.
The destination of the Church is Jesus’ Millennial Kingdom on earth.
6
Only the Church, not the Unrighteous, will see Jesus.
Every eye, both Church and Unrighteous alike, will see Jesus.
7
The Rapture takes place as fast as a blink of an eye.
The Second Coming is drawn out over a number of days.
8
The Church instantly obtains glorified bodies which last forever before Christ’s Millennial Kingdom is instituted.
Tribulation Saints remain in their same earthly bodies and await their glorified bodies at the end of Christ’s Millennial Kingdom.
9
The Church is gathered to receive their rewards while the Unrighteous are left behind to face their punishment.
The Unrighteous are gathered to receive judgment and be sentenced to Torments while the Tribulation Saints are left behind on earth to enter into Christ’s rewards.
10
Jesus appears as a Bridegroom ready to receive His Bride the Church.
Jesus appears as a warrior ready to execute judgment against His enemies.
11
Jesus appears as a Deliverer, rescuing spiritual refugees.
Jesus returns as King, installing subjects to rule over His Kingdom.
12
The Rapture depicts the deliverance of the Church from God’s wrath.
The Second Coming depicts the deliverance of Tribulation Saints who have endured many years of God’s wrath.
13
The world remains left unjudged and still living in the horrible condition of sin.
The world receives final judgment and righteousness is established.
14
The Mount of Olives in Jerusalem remains unchanged.
The impact of Jesus landing on the earth splits the Mount of Olives in two, forming a whole new valley.
15
Satan remains free to cause havoc and slaughter billions.
God’s angels capture Satan, bind him, and throw the Devil into a bottomless pit.
16
Revealed clearly in the New Testament.
Revealed clearly in both the Old and New Testaments.
17
An imminent event in that no signs or events need to precede in order for it to happen.
Over seven years’ worth of signs and events must precede in order for it to happen.
18
Deals only with the Church.
Deals both with the Church and the Unrighteous.
19
The end purpose is to bring God’s judgment on this world.
The end purpose is to install Jesus’ Kingdom over this world.
20
The Rapture is an idyllic scene of God’s love, mercy, and grace to His Church.
The Second Coming is a terrifying scene of God’s wrath and judgment against the Unrighteous.

So, the answer is no, the Rapture and the Second Coming clearly are not the exact same event. But, the answer could also technically be yes, but only in the respect that the Rapture and Second Coming are two separate stages of the same event — the final return of Jesus Christ.

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Few people realize this, but a deity by the name of Hubal, imported from Babylon,  was the chief diety of Mecca when Mohammed conquered it.   Why is that important? 

*[[Eze 38:2]] KJV* Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

I believe that Tubal is to Hubal what Meschech is to Mecca.   They are one and the same deity.   Here is why. 

Hubal is portrayed as an archer that shoots arrows of divination...(determining the future).  Both Gog and the rider on the first horse are described as carrying a bow with arrows. 

*[[Eze 39:3]] KJV* And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

*[[Rev 6:2]] KJV* And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

For more information:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-hubal.htm

Blessings

The PuP 

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40 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

Few people realize this, but a deity by the name of Hubal, imported from Babylon,  was the chief diety of Mecca when Mohammed conquered it.   Why is that important? 

*[[Eze 38:2]] KJV* Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

I believe that Tubal is to Hubal what Meschech is to Mecca.   They are one and the same deity.   Here is why. 

Hubal is portrayed as an archer that shoots arrows of divination...(determining the future).  Both Gog and the rider on the first horse are described as carrying a bow with arrows. 

*[[Eze 39:3]] KJV* And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

*[[Rev 6:2]] KJV* And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

For more information:

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god-hubal.htm

Blessings

The PuP 

Hi Pup....

I'm not sure if they are the same.

The rider on the white horse has a 'bow'.....nothing is said about him having arrows. He comes as a 'man of peace'.

But hey, interesting all the same.

We know Islam is definitely involved.

 

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 7:32 AM, JoeCanada said:

                                                           The Four Horsemen of Revelation 6

 

The Four Horsemen of Rev 6 are loosed upon Jesus breaking each of the first four Seals.

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If we look at these Four Horses and their Riders, we see that they correspond to the first four seals that are opened.

In no way can they ride before the 70th week begins.

 

Hi JoeCanada,

The 4 horsemen are the great Federations of the world that God the father has brought to His Son for judgment.

`The Lord, (God the Father)said to my Lord, (Jesus),"Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1)

So who are these great Federations?

1. Who has gone conquering and taken over 1/4 of the world?

2. Who has killed more of their people than others?

3. Who has an economic program that has spread throughout the world and is leading to great inflation and poverty?

4. Who is the most ruthless killers on the planet?

Think upon those `enemies` and you will see clearly what God is showing us, as He brings them to be judged by His Son, the only one worthy to do so.

Note: the loosening of the seals is to show us what these great Federations have done and how they are lined up at the beginning of the trib/judgments.

Marilyn.

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