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[stevehut]

The ICC believes that McKean is the only true prophet of Jesus Christ, that only ICC members will go to heaven, and that all nonmembers, including Mother Teresa, the Pope, the Rev. Billy Graham and the rest of us, are going straight to hell.

That would be funny, except that someone actually believed it enough to put into print.

By the way, the ICC has not had a centralized leadership for a few years now. And Kip is not in charge.

I'd be interested to know whether that article ran in the news section of the paper. If it did, then the editor should be fired. This is not news, it's an emotion-laden rant.

[Guest XxCurvyxX]

Ok i am lost!!

These ICC people sound to me alot like JWs

Can someone explain to me properly what they are?!?

Thanks

Curvy x

[JesusisGod2]

You know, I dont know much about the ICC, so I dont want to make a judgement there, but I like the idea of home fellowships.

I think that is where it will eventually go back to, to some extent as opposed to organized religion. It was the way that the early church was and with the way things are going, I see it happening again and often wonder if we should have ever got away from it.

I would be willing to bet that there were more that came to Christ in their neighborhoods through home fellowship, as people were probably more accountable to their convictions because of it. But this is just my opinion and I have no facts, but I can definately see the value in it.

I attended a home fellowship years back, not sure of the denomination or if they called themselves any particular name, I really dont remember. But the intimacy there was great. I didnt attend it long as I had moved and it wasnt geographically suitable.

In Jesus

kevin

[Guest yod]

1- Not an ofshoot.  One and the same.

2- The corporate name "ICC" was adopted because we needed to have a corporate name to identify the whole movement.  Wouldn't make sense to call a church in Chicago (just an example) the "Boston" church.  The name "Boston Movement" was never the official name of anything, just an informal designation that some people used.

3- Nope.  ICC was established in 1979.

4- I have only heard that from our critics, never from our pulpit.

One of my closest friends in the world at the time, was part of the original group way back in 1979. You would probably know him so I won't mention his name.

When I was born-again during the 90s, I contacted him and he directed me to the Dallas church. I was there about 15 minutes before I started becoming ill with some of the "prophetic" views they had.

So I called my friend and began asking him a few questions. His replies ran the gamut between paranoid and cultic. He was obviously well programmed to answer in a circular reasoning kind of way.

According to his view of salvation (as a person who has been there since the inception of the ICC) there won't be but a couple of busloads going to heaven. All ICC.

He really believed that, too.

When I told him it sounded like a cult, he hung up and refused my calls from then on. He has done this to all of his friends and close family, including his parents for a long time.

I began asking around to find out what was going on. The church sends teams of young people to colleges mainly and they look for kids who are alone. Through peer group pressure their "candidate" is then "mentored" into becoming an ICC disciple.

A lot of what they teach is very good stuff...but they do employ a manipulative approach to KEEPING their "disciples". The new candidate is assigned a "mentor" who is in charge of everything from their checkbooks to who they can talk to (including family!?).

If you slip up, the whole group comes down on you....and it's hard to argue with 14 people in a home fellowship who have all been "christians" for a while if you are a new believer, right?

I've heard a few testimonies of people that moved out of town with no forwarding address to get away from them.

5- Yup.  That's the way the first Christians met, in many cases.  And it's becoming more and more popular, in churches of all types, all over the country.

But there seems to be a quite different agenda in the ICC model

In my case, in the summer of 1990, I was looking for a church.  My friend invited me to a small group meeting, and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  At that point in time, I never would have been reached through a sermon or a Bible study.  Once I met the people and observed how intimate their fellowship was, I then reached the point that I would trust them to teach me.

Different people have different needs.  This was my need, at the time.

If that is what you needed then I say "Hallelujah" for you, Steve.

I suppose it is possible that one of those churches doesn't intentionally manipulate people like the rest of them?

[Guest XxCurvyxX]

Why do people have to follow religion??

We should be following Christ as he is our main reason we can get into Heaven!!

Religions cause wars and battles amongst people and tho i respect peoples wishes and let them decide which way they want to go, i am always praying that they are still following in Christ's ways and teaching people things of the bible not of anything else.

Just a question for you all

Think to what you preach and follow - Are you speaking words of God and following his ways - or - Are you speaking words of a religion and following their ways??

Curvy x