Bluedragon Posted April 20, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 20, 2022 The shroud cannot be properly dated due to fire in the church during the middle ages. That smoke prevents accurate carbon dating. Found in the cloth is an exact known weave and material used at the time of burial, It also possesses pollens found only in Israel. But the actual shroud? There are hints along the way. The cheek and facial wounds. The flogging of the back on the person crucified and buried, The wounds on the wrists and ankles exactly where they should be in crucifixion. Keep in mind. Had this been a middle ages forgery. The artists of time, the crucifix, statues all show the nails in the palms, Because of the translation from Greek to English or other languages. The reason for those mistakes? There is no word for wrists in the Greek language of the time. Hence the fact that everyone in the Middle Ages got the placement wrong. Question becomes ....as stated a earlier post on this thread. Is this the shroud or just one found and used as an artifact for no actual proof of being the one used for Jesus? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtay7123 Posted April 21, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 21, 2022 The shroud IS in the Bible. John 20:5-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedragon Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) A recent study of the shroud evidence using dating through X-Ray conducted by firm Italy and published in April 2022 dates the shroud to the early first century BC. Further, Medical study by Marquette University shows all wounds on the scalp, face, body feet and wrists consistent with the Biblical descriptions. To the point of swollen right eye and evidence of a beating by fists and hands. A face cloth would have obscured some facial injuries. The entire beard is not torn out and is not described in the Bible as all being removed. Blood flows consistent with a crucifixion. Wounds by flogging consistent with a whip with two straps with both ends having hooks attached. There is some debate as to the number of blows. Edited April 22, 2022 by Bluedragon spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 22 hours ago, Robtay7123 said: The shroud IS in the Bible. John 20:5-7 No. Linen cloths - plural - are mentioned and a separate head piece is mentioned, but not a one piece, covering both head and body is mentioned. Some translations say linen strips or cloths or wrappings or clothes. All plural. All separate from the head piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bluedragon said: Further, Medical study by Marquette University shows all wounds on the scalp, face, body feet and wrists consistent with the Biblical descriptions. To the point of swallow right eye and evidence of a beating by fists and hands. The entire beard is not torn out and is not described in the Bible as all being removed. Blood flows consistent with a crucifixion. Wounds by flogging consistent with a whip with two straps with both ends having hooks attached. There is some debate as to the number of blows. The Biblical description - beginning in prophecy from Isaiah is: [1] Isaiah 52:14 says the Suffering Servant [Jesus} would not even look human. I don't see that on the Shroud. [2] Isaiah 50 says that his beard would be "ripped out". The Shroud shows a perfectly manicured beard. [3] Matthew 27:27 says that Jesus was beaten about the head with a staff "again and again". The face in the shroud shows no sign of being beaten: no swollen features and no hematomas. I just don't see it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtay7123 Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jayne said: No. Linen cloths - plural - are mentioned and a separate head piece is mentioned, but not a one piece, covering both head and body is mentioned. Some translations say linen strips or cloths or wrappings or clothes. All plural. All separate from the head piece. I guess I'm confused. The shroud IS a burial cloth. That's what is mentioned in John. Are you saying it can't be the shroud because it mentions 2 cloths instead of 1? Because 1 is the 2 would still be the shroud. Besides this, there are dozens of evidences that prove the authenticity of the shroud. It is not a fake because we couldn't even duplicate it with our modern technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedragon Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 One Myth disputed by Jewish history The Hebrews had thick hair (Ezek. viii. 3). Long, heavy hair was considered as a sign of vitality. In the case of Samson, traced back to religious reasons (he having been dedicated to God), the connection of long hair and bodily strength was based on the current views. Remember, Samson had long hair .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedragon Posted April 22, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2022 https://www.ncregister.com/interview/new-scientific-technique-dates-shroud-of-turin-to-around-the-time-of-christ-s-death-and-resurrection This is why archeology boils down to the next shovel full of dirt being overturned. This was just released in April 2022. The technique developed in 2019. In itlay The dating of the fibers of the shroud shows a definitive date of 1 BC. On the shroud. There were two pieces of cloth used. One was a small face cloth. The second is a lengthy piece capable of being lain on the slab, the body lain, perfumes added and the continuation of the cloth folded over the face and face cloth. This was not an Egyptian Mummy. It was a Jewish burial. The procedure is described in various forms throughout Jewish history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted April 23, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 23, 2022 The shroud is a full length head to toe sheet, the napkin is a small tea towel size piece. The shroud is a fake because Christs body was wrapped in linen stripes not a full sized one piece sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 23, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,117 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,847 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted April 23, 2022 If the shroud is leght, it must not be of much importance to the gospel or it would be mentioned. So either it isn't the real thing or it's no big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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