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Rapture means the wise virgins taken to the feast alive, tribulation means foolish virgins left and yell.

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THE WISE VIRGINS ARE TAKEN ALIVE TO THE FEAST

Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

THE FOOLISH VIRGINS WILL BE LEFT AND BEG BUT THE TRAIN HAS DEPARTED.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

THOSE MARTYRS IN THE TRIBULATION CANNOT BE THE WISE VIRGINS ALREADY RAPTURED ALIVE :

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Those died in church age will be resurrected and raptured with the living saints (the great multitude)

1 Cor 15:52 : In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we will be changed.

Those died in tribulation (foolish virgins) shall appear below the altar (5th seal).

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13 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

THOSE MARTYRS IN THE TRIBULATION CANNOT BE THE WISE VIRGINS ALREADY RAPTURED ALIVE :

Lack of logic here. Just because some are martyred in the Trib. does not mean that many/most will not be martyred in the Trib, but still go through it.

Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

In context, "all these things" refer to the events of the Trib., which Jesus says some will escape.

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14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

THE WISE VIRGINS ARE TAKEN ALIVE TO THE FEAST

 

If they're taken alive, at what point do they  die? 

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And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

None of us will escape this "appointment"

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21 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

THE WISE VIRGINS ARE TAKEN ALIVE TO THE FEAST

Matt 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

THE FOOLISH VIRGINS WILL BE LEFT AND BEG BUT THE TRAIN HAS DEPARTED.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

THOSE MARTYRS IN THE TRIBULATION CANNOT BE THE WISE VIRGINS ALREADY RAPTURED ALIVE :

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Greetings,

Have you ever thought that maybe the 5th seal happens right BEFORE the rapture?

The entire Church Age has always and still is today seeing Christians being killed and persecuted for their faith in Jesus. Notice the door is SHUT at the rapture and NOT opened as many claim. This faulty assumption happens because of incorrect interpretation of the "seals" in Revelation. When they are viewed as the seals of the 70 weeks prophecy being removed throughout the Church Age, you should be able to uncover minute details throughout Revelation that prove this "theory". However, in a nutshell, the first seal is the START of the Church Age (the door to heaven is opened by Jesus), the second - Islam, third - Catholicism, 4th - 'mixed colors' or Confusion (universalism), 5th - the impatient martyrs, 6th - rapture, 7th - 2nd coming. When the seals are off Israel's blindness is removed and they will finally accept and welcome Jesus as the Messiah.

 

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15 hours ago, Jostler said:

If they're taken alive, at what point do they  die? 

None of us will escape this "appointment"

They are taken alive into the front of the Throne.

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

1 Cor 15:54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled: "Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

 

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8 hours ago, DonkeySpeaksAgain said:

Greetings,

Have you ever thought that maybe the 5th seal happens right BEFORE the rapture?

The 5th seal is opened and the foolish virgins left will be martyred during the tribulation, the wise virgins have been taken already.

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

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16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

To ESCAPE means from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION be4 it begins on the whole earth :

Rev 3: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

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On ‎2‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 6:56 AM, R. Hartono said:

The 5th seal is opened and the foolish virgins left will be martyred during the tribulation, the wise virgins have been taken already.

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

No, the rapture has NOT happened yet (by 5th seal). Their souls are "under the altar" - these are all the martyrs from the entire Church Age still waiting for the rapture. The 6th seal & first trumpet is the rapture (wise virgins taken - foolish ones "left-behind"). The tribulation (3.5 years) period begins after the war in heaven sees Satan and his followers thrown down to earth from heaven to initiate the three woes (last three trumpets). 

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On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 2:59 PM, Jostler said:

If they're taken alive, at what point do they  die? 

None of us will escape this "appointment"

When a believer's body "dies", what happens to his/her soul? You are focused too much on the body. At the rapture, our old bodies will be dead - right? Even when a believer dies, do you not believe that he/she is immediately taken to heaven?

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1 hour ago, DonkeySpeaksAgain said:

. At the rapture, our old bodies will be dead - right? Even when a believer dies, do you not believe that he/she is immediately taken to heaven?

Not at all, those who are alive and remain shall be taken alive

1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

THE RAPTURED SAINTS WILL BE TAKEN TO THE THRONE / THE GREAT MULTITUDE

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

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