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The Last Trumpet: The Trumpet of God

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On 4/6/2019 at 4:42 PM, iamlamad said:

Christ as the firstfruits.

The church as second, third, fourth etc fruits - as the second wave: a crowd too large to number

The 144,000 as the next wave, probably around the midpoint of the week.

The Old Testament saints along with those beheaded and the two witnesses as the next wave - at or near the 7th vial. 

I never have seen it that way.  But I have that little quirk about me that likes to get the OT take on these things.

Yes, Yeshua is the first fruits of those who are resurrected to life, but He is not the first fruits of the harvest.  He is not one of the redeemed so He is not part of the harvest.  

 I believe Leviticus 23 is in view.  Yeshua is our High Priest.  At the time of the harvest, the High Priest presents the first fruits of the harvest to the Father.  Yeshua did that by taking the resurrected saints of Matthew 27:52-53 to the Father as the first fruits of the harvest.  As the High Priest, He would have had to remain ceremonially pure until that task was accomplished.  After His resurrection He told Mary not to handle Him because he had not yet ascended to the Father.  As High Priest, He had to remain undefiled until He had presented the first fruits of the harvest.   Yet later that evening (really the next day since the new day starts at sunset), He appeared to the disciples and He told them to touch Him to prove He wasn't a ghost or spirit.   He had accomplished the presentation of the first fruits before that.  The scripture doesn't  state specifically what became of those resurrected saints, but many early writers who knew the Apostles or students of them wrote that these saints were taken to the Father by Yeshua.  And that would fit with Leviticus 23 and the events of the resurrection day.

But these OT saints were never part of the NT church.  They are redeemed thru Yeshua just like those in the church, but they are not part of the church.  The official start of the church we are part of did not come till 7 weeks after the resurrection.

The main harvest is yet in store.  That will be the gathering of the redeemed unto Yeshua.   That will leave the gleanings part of the harvest, which is part of the harvest requirements of scripture also and comes after the main harvest.   This will be those who place their trust in Yeshua during the tribulation period before Yeshua returns to set up His kingdom on earth.

When in doubt, follow Yeshua's statement that the Torah and the Prophets were written of Him.  He is in every regulatory requirement of the Torah. And the harvest is clearly outlined in the Torah and Yeshua is the center of it.

Just another perspective, but one that works exceptionally well for me.  

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35 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

I never have seen it that way.  But I have that little quirk about me that likes to get the OT take on these things.

Yes, Yeshua is the first fruits of those who are resurrected to life, but He is not the first fruits of the harvest.  He is not one of the redeemed so He is not part of the harvest.  

 I believe Leviticus 23 is in view.  Yeshua is our High Priest.  At the time of the harvest, the High Priest presents the first fruits of the harvest to the Father.  Yeshua did that by taking the resurrected saints of Matthew 27:52-53 to the Father as the first fruits of the harvest.  As the High Priest, He would have had to remain ceremonially pure until that task was accomplished.  After His resurrection He told Mary not to handle Him because he had not yet ascended to the Father.  As High Priest, He had to remain undefiled until He had presented the first fruits of the harvest.   Yet later that evening (really the next day since the new day starts at sunset), He appeared to the disciples and He told them to touch Him to prove He wasn't a ghost or spirit.   He had accomplished the presentation of the first fruits before that.  The scripture doesn't  state specifically what became of those resurrected saints, but many early writers who knew the Apostles or students of them wrote that these saints were taken to the Father by Yeshua.  And that would fit with Leviticus 23 and the events of the resurrection day.

But these OT saints were never part of the NT church.  They are redeemed thru Yeshua just like those in the church, but they are not part of the church.  The official start of the church we are part of did not come till 7 weeks after the resurrection.

The main harvest is yet in store.  That will be the gathering of the redeemed unto Yeshua.   That will leave the gleanings part of the harvest, which is part of the harvest requirements of scripture also and comes after the main harvest.   This will be those who place their trust in Yeshua during the tribulation period before Yeshua returns to set up His kingdom on earth.

When in doubt, follow Yeshua's statement that the Torah and the Prophets were written of Him.  He is in every regulatory requirement of the Torah. And the harvest is clearly outlined in the Torah and Yeshua is the center of it.

Just another perspective, but one that works exceptionally well for me.  

I think those would have been the firstfruits of the Old Testament saints.  I think the church will be the second, third, fourth, etc, of the New Covenant. If you can filter the Old through the new and keep the same perspective, very good.  Much of the Old is made clearer in the New.

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