Mid Trib rapture anyone?

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, The Light said:

Don't you think if Jesus is talking end times in Matt 24 that we should be able to find what He said in Revelation? Jesus is not talking about 2000 years, He is answering their question about end times. Then we see John give a rehash of what Jesus said.

Rev 6

⁴ And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

⁵ And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

⁶ And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

⁷ And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

⁸ And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

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Matt. 24:15-31 is about the Tribulation, and the Second Coming. Thus the 3rd question is answered, what will be the End.

No, Matt 4-25 is about the tribulation. Matt 29-31 is not the Second Coming when Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth, it is about the gathering that Paul talks about before the Day of the Lord begins. It is a gathering from heaven and earth, just like it says.

Again, don't you think that if Jesus was talking about the end times in Matt 24, which He was, we ought to be able to see the same things in Revelation. They are there in Rev 6. From the tribulation, to the cosmic signs, to the coming of Jesus for the gathering prior to the wrath of God.

Also, the end of the age starts the Day of the Lord, which begins with his wrath. The church will be in heaven in Rev 5 and return in the clouds with Jesus for the gathering. This gathering will include ALL that will attend the marriage supper. This includes the Church, the old testament saints, and both the twelve tribes that are scattered across the earth and the Gentiles that come to know the Lord during the Tribulation

BTW, this has never happened. There are still stones, one upon another.

Matt 24

² And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I was called to Prophecy, Revelation, Daniel etc. and thus the Matt. 24 verses had to be deciphered as per their timing. The book of Revelation is something I "get" from the front to the back, its just clear to me, I have been blessed with understanding there. My Exegesis on Matt. 24 thus speaks for itself, I didn't just guess, it was a long project brother. Remember, Men's Traditions is why the Pharisees couldn't see Jesus was the Messiah. 

Matthew 24 Revealed: Understanding The Three Timelines

Matthew 24 Revealed: Understanding The Three Timelines: Matthew 24:1-6 is about the Destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The first question was about what Jesus had just said, the Temple being DESTROYED (When shall these things be?) The second question was what will be the Sign of your Coming. These are dealt with in order. Also Remember that false prophets and/or false chirsts are mentioned three times, in verse 5, 11 and 24 and they are THREE SEPARATE EVENTS.

If Jesus is going to give them a sign/understanding of these events, wouldn't he walk them through the whole 2000 year period? I think he would, and clearly does. Let's go through a few of the verses to see why I believe as I do. And we know its a 2000 year period, its 2017 SMILE. Well Almost 2000 years.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am christ; and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Jesus here is warning the Disciples not to be deceived, it is well known that the Rabbis/Pharisees in order to put down the "Jesus movement" and because they thought the Roman occupation was the END TIMES or the Fourth Beast and thus they were expecting the "Little Horn" at any moment to come forth. Thus they were "Looking" for the Messiah to come forth and save them, so they put forth various Messiahs just before the Temple and Jerusalem's destruction, which was caused by their rebellion against Rome. Jesus is telling his Disciples not to fall for the lies, many will come in my name, saying I am the Messiah, but they will not be me Returning !! It is not that time he tells them, do not fall for the lies for the End is not yet. The end will be by and by.

He was basically warning his Disciples not to come back to Jerusalem when they heard of these things, thinking that it was Jesus come again, like in Zechariah 14, because if they heard the rumors and came back to Jerusalem, no doubt they would be in the line of fire and probably killed, so his warning was to STAY AWAY. Don't buy the false stories of Christ is in Jerusalem is what Jesus here is informing his Disciples. He is informing them that they will hear of Wars and Rumors of wars, no doubt Jesus knew many of the Disciples would venture afar taking the Gospel unto all the world, thus they would not see this destruction of the Temple, some would, but many would just hear of the destruction to come. Jesus tells them, THIS IS NOT THE END !! Meaning that even though the Pharisees and Rabbis were looking for the Messiah to Save them, (from Rome) this was not the time of Jesus' Second Coming, thus he says, the END IS NOT YET !!

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then Jesus seems to shift into a futuristic 2000 year period of time from 70 AD to the coming Rapture. He speaks about Nations against Nations, Kingdoms against Kingdoms, famines, pestilences and earthquakes, and he says these are the Beginnings of Sorrows !! The Greek word used for sorrows implies BIRTH PANGS, this is Jesus telling the Disciples that all of these things Must happen first, and that will be the Sign (BIRTH PANG) that the end is near. The next few verses are also covering the full 2000 year period, speaking at times about the Disciples, and at other times about the whole 2000 year period, until the Rapture.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

I think this is mainly Jesus telling his Disciples about their coming fate. Many people would betray them, and most all of the Disciples would become Martyrs, save John and a couple of others. They don't kill you if they don't hate you right? And no doubt, many betrayed them, like Judas betrayed Jesus.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I think this is speaking of the overall period from 70 AD, until the Rapture. Jesus throws this in to let everyone know, there will be many false prophets (Jonestown, and cults like it have risen over the 2000 year period since Jesus' death) and because of sin or the acceptance thereof, (at the end times or Birth Pangs) the love of Many shall wax Cold.....Abortion, Murder, Homosexuality being pushed as normal etc. etc. Then Jesus says, BUT..... out of all of these things I have described unto you all, (Matthew 24:7-13) he that endures all things that might come upon him, he that KEEPS THE FAITH until the End (of his life) the same shall be SAVED. In other words if we turn from God/Jesus and return unto the world, we will be cast out of Jesus' mouth as Lukewarm. We must overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb, we can not turn back to living a sinful life, we must endure all of our temptations. It doesn't mean we will not Sin..........It just means we can not turn back unto a sinful lifestyle. WE MUST ENDURE IN CHRIST until the end. We are to run the Marathon. Amen

This above is Jesus answering their questions, "When shall these things be"? He walks them through the full 2000 year period between when he was alive, until he calls the Church home at the Rapture. The destruction of the Temple is spoken of but Jesus says, the end is not yet !! Then Jesus finishes the 2000 panoramic view. The Rapture scriptures of Matthew 24:36-51 should actually be next, verses 36-51 should come after verse 13 or 14. But Mathew did not have a clue about the Rapture, so he (correctly) placed it with the Second Coming verses 29-31, at least in his thinking it was correct.

On to the 70th Week of Daniel now. The 3 1/2 years of Peace/Security followed by the 3 1/2 years of Gods Wrath. The Rapture happens after verse 13 or 14. In my honest opinion Matthew 24:36-51, belongs right here.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, {whoso readeth, let him understand} 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Verse 14 kind of belongs with verses 7-13, but it can also go on this side of the 2000 year divide. It straddles the gap so to speak. The Gospel must be preached unto all the World, then the END WILL COME !! This is very clear, once the Church has preached the Gospel unto all the world for a witness to Jesus' saving Grace, then and only then can the End Times come upon us. Jesus then goes on to tell us/disciples about this End Time Period. He warns the Jewish peoples that when they see the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, they should Flee Jerusalem. THIS IS AN END TIME EVENT.........There is no doubt about that at all. Now Jesus must answer the next question(s), what will be the Sign of thy coming, and what will be the end (of the age) of time.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, (THE Anti-Christ and False Prophet here) and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus is telling his Disciples, and thus warning the Jewish peoples of the coming Tribulation Period what to look for. He is warning them not to fall for the Anti-Christ and False Prophets tricks when they try to entice Israel to come out of their safe space, where God says in Revelation 12 that he will protect them for 1260 days, from the Anti-Christ/Dragon (Satan). Israel have accepted Jesus as their Messiah by this time. (Malachi 4:5-6) So of course the Anti-Christ and False Prophet wants to deceive them into thinking Jesus has RETURNED (because they want to kill them, of course) and is in the Desert or Secret Chambers !! But Jesus says do not fall for their lies, for I will not be in the Desert or in a Secret Chambers.... for I will be coming from the Eastern Skies for all to see. Amen.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn (Vials 6 & 7), and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So, Jesus tells the Jewish peoples the Signs of his Coming and when the end shall be. This is the End of the Age, no doubt. IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days (Troubles/Jacobs Trouble), these signs will be in the sky and then you will see me coming in the clouds from the East, and all the tribes and nations will see the Glory of my Coming. And the Angels will gather THE ELECT from the Four Corners of Heaven, [where the Church has been for SEVEN YEARS, Marrying the Lamb] and we will Return on White Horses with Jesus Christ just as Rev. 19 says. Amen.

Now Jesus has covered the largest base of the Jewish peoples because 85-95 percent of them will not receive the Lord Jesus Christ before the Rapture that Paul has spoken about in many places, including 1 Corinthians 15. So now Jesus must cover the few Messianic Jews plight. What will happen to them at the End Times? Well they will be Raptured, along with all the dead in Christ, and those of us who are alive when Jesus calls us home to Heaven, so we can Marry the Lamb (Rev. 19) and then return with him to destroy the Anti-Christ and his Minions.

So Matthew 36-51 tells about the coming Rapture of the Church, but I will only post verses 38-42, for it emphasizes everything that needs to be said, Jesus tells the Messianic Jews about their destiny : (This should come just after Matthew 24:13-14)

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

This of course happens right before the Tribulation, or Jacobs Troubles. If this actually happened during the Tribulation period would they be Drinking/Marrying and having a grand ole time? No, of course not, that makes no sense, the Jewish nation will be in hiding in the Wilderness, (Rev. 12) and the wicked men of earth will be dodging the plagues of Gods Wrath, there will be no one who will be having fun just before Jesus' SECOND COMING, that I can assure you !! So this is the Rapture here, we are expectant, but Surprised when Jesus Returns. The World during Gods Wrath will not be surprised, the 6th Seal is the Gathering of nations unto Meggido for Armageddon, so does anyone really think that Jesus showing up on The Mt. of Olives at Vial number 7 is going to be a surprise? NO.....The Anti-Christ has exactly 42 Months to rule.

Jesus then illustrates what can only be the Rapture, it can not be the Second Coming. He says Two will be in the field and One will be taken and the other shall be left [Behind]. The same thing is spoken about with the women grinding at the mill, One will be taken and One left.

Then Jesus says WATCH, for you know not what hour when your Lord comes. Just like the Bride knew not what hour the Bridegroom was to come !! We know when Jesus' Second Coming will be. Exactly 42 Months after the Anti-Christ commits the Abomination of Desolation, AND.......everyone on earth will all see Jesus (with us at his side) splitting the Eastern skies, no one will be left behind, believe me, the Wicked will be DESTROYED, not left behind. Amen.

Matthew 24:1-6 is the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

Matthew 24:7-13 is the 2000 year period from 70 AD to the Rapture.

Matthew 24:36-51 is the Rapture/Matthew thought it should be with the Second Coming.

Matthew 24:15-28 is the Abomination/Time of Troubles/False Prophet and Anti-Christ time.

Matthew 24:29-31 is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Church will come back from Heaven with Jesus Christ on White Horses (Rev. 19) Amen, Glory to God.

Matthew 24:32-35 is the Parable of the "FIG TREE". It basically is saying when the Fig Tree is ripe you know that Summer is NEAR and Likewise, when you SEE ALL OF THESE SIGNS, My Coming will be Near.

The Sign of Jesus Second Coming will.......NOT be when you see the Temples/Jerusalem's Destruction, NOT when you see the Kingdoms vs. Kingdoms or pestilences, NOT be when the Gospel is Preached unto all the World, NOT be when the Abomination of Desolation happens, NOT be when you see the TROUBLES OF JACOB, it will NOT be when you see the false christ and false prophet, it will NOT be when you see the Sun turn dark, the moon turn red or the stars falling from the skies.

But the Second Coming will only happen when you see ALL OF THESE SIGNS COME TO PASS !! 

Basically this is a multi faceted prophecy, that takes deep thinking and revelation from God to understand via much prayer. 

 

4 hours ago, The Light said:

BTW, this has never happened. There are still stones, one upon another.

 

The Temple has been Destroyed, you are speaking of the outer walls, not the Temple. 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I think Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are two men writing about the very same discourse.

Its the same, but from different points of emphasis. Luke was speaking via a Gentile POV and Matthew covered the Jewish perspective. Plus each individual sees things differently. 

 

 

[The Light]

On 6/2/2019 at 1:42 PM, Revelation Man said:

Its the same, but from different points of emphasis. Luke was speaking via a Gentile POV and Matthew covered the Jewish perspective. Plus each individual sees things differently. 

 

 

You might check the details. Who was Jesus speaking to in Luke. Who was Jesus speaking to in Matt. Where was Jesus when he spoke in Luke, and where was Jesus when he spoke in Matthew. You are also missing the details of what was said. Additionally, there are still stones, one upon another. Someday soon those stones will be thrown down.

Luke 21

⁶ As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

[Revelation Man]

13 hours ago, The Light said:

You might check the details. Who was Jesus speaking to in Luke. Who was Jesus speaking to in Matt. Where was Jesus when he spoke in Luke, and where was Jesus when he spoke in Matthew. You are also missing the details of what was said. Additionally, there are still stones, one upon another. Someday soon those stones will be thrown down.

Luke 21

⁶ As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That changes nothing I stated. Look at the Gospels depiction of Jesus on the cross, they come from different people hence different viewpoints and emphasis. Jesus said if he testified of himself his testimony would not be true....hence I am convinced the Four Gospels are four mens testimony of the life of Jesus Christ. Hence men see things differently. But reading Luke and Matt., it's a well known fact the Matt. was from the Jewish perspective and Luke was reaching out to the Gentiles and giving the Gospel from a different angle. It's not a mystery. 

Go research the accounts of Jesus on the cross, they all vary somewhat, but that is who we humans are, we can see the same thing and have different understandings, that is what makes us unique, we see darkly, God knows all things. 

Edited June 4, 2019 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

4 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

That changes nothing I stated. Look at the Gospels depiction of Jesus on the cross, they come from different people hence different viewpoints and emphasis. Jesus said if he testified of himself his testimony would not be true....hence I am convinced the Four Gospels are four mens testimony of the life of Jesus Christ. Hence men see things differently. But reading Luke and Matt., it's a well known fact the Matt. was from the Jewish perspective and Luke was reaching out to the Gentiles ad giving the Gospel from a different angle. It's not a mystery. 

Go research the accounts of Jesus on the cross, they all vary somewhat, but that is who we humans are, we ca see the same thing ad have different understandings, that is what makes us unique, we see darkly, God knows all things. 

As you said, it's no mystery that Matthew was from the Jewish perspective, which is why we know the message is for the Jews during the last days. However, you think that Matthew talks of 70AD when he clearly doesn't. Luke we can see does talk about 70AD as we can see in the following passages.

Luke 21

⁹ But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

¹⁰ Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

¹¹ And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Please show the corresponding verses in Matthew that prove that Matthew was talking about 70AD.

[Revelation Man]

Don't know what happened here....DELETE....

 

Edited June 4, 2019 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, The Light said:

As you said, it's no mystery that Matthew was from the Jewish perspective, which is why we know the message is for the Jews during the last days. However, you think that Matthew talks of 70AD when he clearly doesn't. Luke we can see does talk about 70AD as we can see in the following passages.

Luke 21

⁹ But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

¹⁰ Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

¹¹ And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Please show the corresponding verses in Matthew that prove that Matthew was talking about 70AD.

The Jews were a part of the Church Age too right ? He gave all sides......He gave all sides......The Jews who were Raptured in Matt. 24:36-51 and the Jews who will be on earth at the Second Coming Matt. 24:29-31. 

The very first thing Jesus talks about is the Temple being destroyed. Thus verses 4- 6 is indeed about 70-AD. The Disciples said tell us when will THESE THINGS BE !! Its the only thing Jesus spoke of, so naturally when they ask WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE Jesus starts off with 70 AD !! 

Matt. 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

{{{ So what else were they talking about when they asked "WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE ?". Well of course When shall THESE THINGS BE was about the Temples Destruction, but then they added, AND what shall be the signs of your coming AND the end of the World or End Times. So naturally Jesus answers about the 70 AD event first !! That is a given. }}}

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you {Disciples}. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye {Disciples} shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye {Disciples} be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Above Jesus CLEARLY tells of the 70 AD Event, He told the Pharisees in John 5:43 that they wouldn't receive him when he came in the Father's name, but that they would receive another who came [as christ] in his own name. {the Jews think the Messiah is a Political savior sent from God, they don't see him as the Son of God}. Jesus warns his disciples that when THEY HEAR of the wars and rumours of wars {70 AD} to not think it is Jesus come again, the 70 AD event will look just like the Zechariah 14 1-2 event. So Jesus FOREWARNED THEM. Then he says be not troubled, the end is NOT YET. 70 AD will look like Zechariah 14 for a reason, the Church Age was INSERTED !! Take out the Church Age and the Beasts all fit together, the Statue fits together, the 70 weeks punishment all fits pretty much together, but God COMPLETELY FORGOT Israel for nigh 2000 years because of their sins, they became as DEAD MEN'S BONES until 1948, then God REVIVED Israel again. When the Church is Raptured, then verse 14 will ring true, the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, THEN THE END will come.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Edited June 4, 2019 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Jews were a part of the Church Age too right ? He gave all sides......He gave all sides......The Jews who were Raptured in Matt. 24:36-51 and the Jews who will be on earth at the Second Coming Matt. 24:2-31. 

The very first thing Jesus talks about is the Temple being destroyed. Thus verses 4- 6 is indeed about 70-AD. The Disciples said tell us when will THESE THINGS BE !! Its the only thing Jesus spoke of, so naturally when they ask WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE Jesus starts off with 70 AD !! 

Matt. 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

{{{ So what else were they talking about when they asked "WHEN SHALL THESE THINGS BE ?". Well of course When shall THESE THINGS BE was about the Temples Destruction, but then they added, AND what shall be the signs of your coming AND the end of the World or End Times. So naturally Jesus answers about the 70 AD event first !! That is a given. }}}

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you {Disciples}. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye {Disciples} shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye {Disciples} be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Above Jesus CLEARLY tells of the 70 AD Event, He told the Pharisees in John 5:43 that they wouldn't receive him when he came in the Father's name, but that they would receive another who came [as christ] in his own name. {the Jews think the Messiah is a Political savior sent from God, they don't see him as the Son of God}. Jesus warns his disciples that when THEY HEAR of the wars and rumours of wars {70 AD} to not think it is Jesus come again, the 70 AD event will look just like the Zechariah 14 1-2 event. So Jesus FOREWARNED THEM. The he says be not troubled, the end is NOT YET. 70 AD will look like Zechariah 14 for a reason, the Church Age was INSERTED !! Take out the Church Age and the Beasts all fit together, the Statue fits together, the 70 weeks punishment all fits pretty much together, but God just FORGOT Israel for nigh 2000 years because of their sins, they became as DEAD MEN'S BONES until 1948, then God REVIVED Israel again. When the Church is Raptured, then verse 14 will rung true, the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, THEN THE END will come.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Here is what is said in Luke 21

Luke 21

^9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

¹⁰ Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

¹¹ And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Here is what is said in Matt 24

⁶ And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

⁷ For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

⁸ All these are the beginning of sorrows.

⁹ Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Do you understand the difference between someone saying,BUT BEFORE ALL THESE. Referring to the events of 70AD and someone saying, THEN, referring to a future event.

Do you understand the difference between the prophecy saying that there will not be one stone up the other and seeing the wall still standing with one stone stone upon the other.

Luke 21
² And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

[OldCoot]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

That changes nothing I stated. Look at the Gospels depiction of Jesus on the cross, they come from different people hence different viewpoints and emphasis. Jesus said if he testified of himself his testimony would not be true....hence I am convinced the Four Gospels are four mens testimony of the life of Jesus Christ. Hence men see things differently. But reading Luke and Matt., it's a well known fact the Matt. was from the Jewish perspective and Luke was reaching out to the Gentiles and giving the Gospel from a different angle. It's not a mystery. 

Go research the accounts of Jesus on the cross, they all vary somewhat, but that is who we humans are, we can see the same thing and have different understandings, that is what makes us unique, we see darkly, God knows all things. 

From a investigative standpoint, that there are variations in the different narratives by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, makes them even more credible.   If a detective investigating a case questioned 4 witnesses and their stories matched perfectly, then it would look like collusion and take away from their credibility.  

I love reading the comments on the Gospels by police detectives, lawyers, FBI people, etc   They bring out these little nuances of the testimonies that normal people typically miss.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, OldCoot said:

From a investigative standpoint, that there are variations in the different narratives by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, makes them even more credible.   If a detective investigating a case questioned 4 witnesses and their stories matched perfectly, then it would look like collusion and take away from their credibility.  

I love reading the comments on the Gospels by police detectives, lawyers, FBI people, etc   They bring out these little nuances of the testimonies that normal people typically miss.

True, but I did not get it until some Atheist started showing the different takes on the death at the cross, but I discovered 2 things, upon further review, the peoples perspectives were just different and secondly, Jesus allowed these humans to testify a true testimony of his life and death from their perspective. If God gave them the Gospels like he gave Daniel, Ezekiel etc. the Prophecies to come, all four would have been exactly alike, from God's perspective, but instead we get four men's honest perspective. Of course they walked with Jesus.