Ogner Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: There's another premise I disagree with. I didn't realize I was being nonchalant. You take care of yourself, too. You can't get a "reward" if you didn't do anything to deserve it. Maybe you don't deserve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ogner said: You can't get a "reward" if you didn't do anything to deserve it. Maybe you don't deserve that. Well, we should be trying to do the Lord's will. That's the best thing we can do since he knows what it best for us and is motivated entirely by love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, other one said: Matt 5:43-45 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you 45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; NASB Luke 6:27-29 27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 NASB I really don't think Jesus would ask us to do something he didn't do himself... As for satan, one needs to remember that he is/was probably the grandest thing God ever created until he got so full of himself he wanted to be equal with God.... People were warned not to bring accusations against him.... Actually when I look at Satan, I see something that is a crying shame that his grandeur turned into what it has...… it's not my place to judge him though some of the angels we will be judges of.... but we as far as I can tell don't know exactly how that will work. But as for people who hate God, they are just folks that are misinformed as to reality just as most of us were prior to our enlightenment by the Holy Spirit and it is our place to teach them the truth of the Gospel, and one can't do that by hating them back and treating them in a disrespective way. First of all, Whom should we love? criminals, murderer, burglar, rapist... ? Which kinds of enemies we must demonstrate love? In Romans 12:20 Paul quotes the words of Proverbs 25:21 "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;" Hebrew text versions are used word (נַאֲךָ) saw-nay' - adversary, opponent Then compare with Exodus 15:9 "The enemy boasted, ‘I will pursue, I will overtake them. I will divide the spoils; I will " Hebrew text - (אֹויֵב) o-yabe' - enemy combatant If your [(נַאֲךָ) saw-nay' ] is hungry, give him food to eat. But if If your [(אֹויֵב) o-yabe'] is hungry, leave him alone. Now about guilty to crimes Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder." Hebrew text - (תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh' - murder. Bible say about guilty to crimes. How do we define them and what should we do with them? (Numbers 35:16, 21, 31; and Deuteronomy 22:25) Deuteronomy 13:9 "you must kill him without fail!" Bible say about killing in war Numbers 31:7 " They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. " Hebrew text - (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag' -kill, put them to death. You shall not [(תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh' ] but you must [ (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag' ] the guilty criminals Now, my earlier question, Where God says that we should love his enemies? Edited April 1, 2019 by Ogner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 49 minutes ago, SelahSong said: No, Ogner. God would not send you to hell for that. There is only ONE sin that God will not forgive, and that is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:32 New King James Version (NKJV) 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Is it a sin if I don't love enemies of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ogner said: First of all, Whom should we love? criminals, murderer, burglar, rapist... ? Which kinds of enemies we must demonstrate love? In Romans 12:20 Paul quotes the words of Proverbs 25:21 "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;" Hebrew text versions are used word (נַאֲךָ) saw-nay' - adversary, opponent Then compare with Exodus 15:9 "The enemy boasted, ‘I will pursue, I will overtake them. I will divide the spoils; I will " Hebrew text - (אֹויֵב) o-yabe' - enemy combatant If your [(נַאֲךָ) saw-nay' ] is hungry, give him food to eat. But if If your [(אֹויֵב) o-yabe'] is hungry, leave him alone. Now about guilty to crimes Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder." Hebrew text - (תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh' - murder. Bible say about guilty to crimes. How do we define them and what should we do with them? (Numbers 35:16, 21, 31; and Deuteronomy 22:25) Deuteronomy 13:9 "you must kill him without fail!" Bible say about killing in war Numbers 31:7 " They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. " Hebrew text - (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag' -kill, put them to death. You shall not [(תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh' ] but you must [ (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag' ] the guilty criminals Now, my earlier question, Where God says that we should love his enemies? If we are in Christ we are under none of the Old Covenant laws.... only the commands Jesus gave us... when you start mixing the two it causes nothing but confusion. and I stand by the things in red that I posted.... do you really think God would require us to do things he would not himself do. You can't live by the old Covenant laws and be sure of heaven if you are not doing those of the new covenant.... If you are not willing to do as Jesus told us then you are not one of his... and Jesus told us to love our enemies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 God does not love Satan. God hates the wicked. We are to stay away from evil. Romans 12:9 Matthew 6:19:153 Ephesians 5:11 Hosea 9:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 Just now, Ogner said: Is it a sin if I don't love enemies of God? Who are the enemies of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogner Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 562 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 268 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, other one said: You are asking way too many questions to keep up with. Does God forgive those who hate Jesus? If they ask God will forgive them..... Does he forgive those who do not ask him? I really don't know. We can change the individual person by praying for them and telling them of the Gospel.... and it's between that person and the Holy Spirit as to their spiritual situation. As for people that wish to harm you, that is a question that does not have a general answer.... way too many scenarios that have different answers. Enemies of God never meant for you to get hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ogner said: Enemies of God never meant for you to get hurt? I will ask you again.... Who are the enemies of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, other one said: Who are the enemies of God? The devil, the world and the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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