Rapture

[gypc]

Hey Pax go to this website. They compare scripture with catholic doctrine. Ya might be suprized!

Catholic Doctrine

Peace to ya,

Brian

[Tari]

Here is a website I ran across referring to the rapture. This site has many Bible verses.

[gypc]

Hey Tari, I've read a little and what I've read...I agree with it. I havn;t believed in the PT rapture teaching for a few years.

I'm really gonna check out that page and study it.

Thanks for posting it.

Brian

[Trust & Obey]

Here is a website I ran across referring to the rapture. This site has many Bible verses.  http://www.homestead.com/dclwolf/rapture.html 

What is written in Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed, one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Two men in one bed! Does that sound like the righteous are taken, according to what we read about what God thinks of this? Luke 17:37 Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.  Revelation:19:17-18 Do those verses sound like bodies are going to be eaten by fowls? Could that relate to the eagles they are talking about? Does this look to you like the righteous are taken up? Because what I am reading says the opposite.

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Anyone? Anyone? And still no response yet from any true church pre-tribulation rapture believers on this issue.

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I don't believe that Luke 17:34 is speaking about the rapture, but rather of judgment. I know that some try and use that as a "rapture text," but I do not agree with that use.

Whenever I argue for a specific doctrine I use the Word of God to do so, not the words of men. You could do a google search and find an opinion for just about everything. The question is: What does the Word of God say to you?

Edited June 8, 2005 by Trust & Obey

[stevehut]

1- I have found that people are more likely to open up to me what they truely believe if they don't know where I come from.

2- but many people are going to treat me different since I'm Catholic.

[stevehut]

1- However, if I know the real agenda is not the seeking of information to be applied

2- In this thread (rapture), I felt your real agenda was to show that the rapture was a later development outside of scripture and thus legitimize issues like the doctrine of the blessed virgin and papal succession

3- Papal succession cannot be directly shown in scripture. Even of one accepts that the Matthew passage indicated a special role for Peter, there is no place where it is taught that it would be handed down.

1- "Agenda"? I'm here to take over the world, OK? But somehow, I think you already knew that about me.

2- If I was in your place, I would just answer the cotton-pickin' question.

3- Yup.

[Trust & Obey]

Pax, for the record, I like you quite a bit. The fact that you are Catholic doesn't phase me one bit. We've been on opposite sides of a few things, but that doesn't bother me. Everyone can't think alike.

However, an observation I've made is that you tend to steer a thread/topic towards a Catholic vs. Protestant debate. And, it doesn't matter what the thread is. It could be a discussion on how to make banana nut bread... somehow Mother Theresa made the best banana nut bread known to man because of a Catholic recipe.

Seriously though... don't be disheartened. I think you're well liked on this board (based upon my impression of your enounters). I can at least say that it is true for me.

God bless.

[stevehut]

I would like to hear some ideas from various Protestants on this site of what their idea of Rapture is.

My general view of the endtimes is this. I have read dozens (maybe hundreds) of theories about the end times. Some seem reasonable, some seem like science fiction. I have some opinions in the matter, but I'm not entirely convinced of any one theory.

So I have concluded thus:

When the end comes (and it surely will), only one thing will matter -- either you're saved, or you're not. All of the research in the world will never substitute for this. Rather than speculate about a particular scheme, I say live a righteous life, worship God, and serve your fellowman.

Just about everything else is crap.

[stevehut]

somehow Mother Theresa made the best banana nut bread known to man because of a Catholic recipe. 

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Well said, Trust.

[Tari]

The word of God says to me in all of Matthew 24, along with all the other verses pertaining to the return of Christ; that it is not at all the righteous that are taken up. I'm afraid that this pre-tribulation rapture deceit has taken everyone's eyes off of the true events of the actual return. Those who are alive and remain at the coming of our Lord Jesus are blessed. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Those people who have already passed prior to the second coming who are in Christ. 1Thessalonians 4:16-18 .....and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:..... The end of the book of Daniel says blessed is he that waiteth...

Read Matthew 24:38-51

The unrighteous are taken up, that is stated clearly to me. If your waiting around expecting to be raptured away, then you are not aware of being watchful for the actual return of Christ. If the goodman of the house had known in what watch the THIEF would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

People who believe in this rapture are not even going to recognize great tribulation events when they are happening. Because they are so sure about being raptured away. You do not want to be raptured away by the thief, nothing good is going to happen to those people taken. Our best hope is to remain alive throughout the visible coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.