Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Willa said: John teaches that we are all headed for the lake of fire until we receive Christ. It is definitely the destination of those who reject Christ. Joh 3:17 AMP For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. Joh 3:18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.] Joh 3:19 The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil. [Isa 5:20] Joh 3:20 For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved. The Amplified Bible is a running commentary. Someone mixed scripture with opinion in every verse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Willa said: John teaches that we are all headed for the lake of fire until we receive Christ. It is definitely the destination of those who reject Christ. Joh 3:17 AMP For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. Joh 3:18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.] Joh 3:19 The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil. [Isa 5:20] Joh 3:20 For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved. The lake of fire is also the destination of Christians that continue to commit willful sins and don't repent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael (limmuwd) Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 160 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Willa said: John teaches that we are all headed for the lake of fire until we receive Christ. It is definitely the destination of those who reject Christ. Joh 3:17 AMP For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. Joh 3:18 He who believes in Him [who clings to, trusts in, relies on Him] is not judged [he who trusts in Him never comes up for judgment; for him there is no rejection, no condemnation—he incurs no damnation]; but he who does not believe (cleave to, rely on, trust in Him) is judged already [he has already been convicted and has already received his sentence] because he has not believed in and trusted in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [He is condemned for refusing to let his trust rest in Christ's name.] Joh 3:19 The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil. [Isa 5:20] Joh 3:20 For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved. Have you, or any, ever wondered why Jesus didn't preach this message to the crowds, but only to a Pharisee, a leader of Israel? Indeed, there is great reason. That message was NOT for the masses. It was for God's Elect to hear and receive. The Christ spoke a message of hope to the crowds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: Are you claiming Jesus said those words about believing on him after the cross? I think you are mistaken. You would also be mistaken if you are claiming he contradicted himself in the gospels. This is a serious problem with what you are teaching. You can't reconcile the scriptures. You must pit one against another. To be specific , Paul said it.If Paul said it,Jesus said it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Blood Bought 1953 said: To be specific , Paul said it.If Paul said it,Jesus said it. Paul also gave a list of sins that will keep anyone from inheriting the kingdom of God in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Why don't you believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: The Amplified Bible is a running commentary. Someone mixed scripture with opinion in every verse. Only the comments in brackets are explaining the implied meaning of the Greek. The other words are contained in Bible dictionaries as expounding on the full meaning of the Greek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 Jesus said in Luke 13:4, if we don't repent we will perish. Do you believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Willa said: Only the comments in brackets are explaining the implied meaning of the Greek. The other words are contained in Bible dictionaries as expounding on the full meaning of the Greek. I will stick with a real Bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 Joh 3:17 ESV For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. Joh 3:21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." If you want KJV you won't get it from me. The closest I do is NKJV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 17, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 17, 2019 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2 Peter 2:20 Obviously, chastisement or even an early death is not as bad as hell. Do you believe Peter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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