enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Still Alive said: I've been brief in my responses. There are very detailed discussions already available. No need to re-invent the wheel: https://wake-up.org/bible-characters/rich-man-lazarus.html https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NB-189-Transcript.pdf I simply do not believe the parable was told to give the slightest window into heaven and hell other than to point out who was blessed and who was not. That is the individual right... but it violates the hermeneutic process. Allowing the Word to become twisted to the individual usage and error... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Still Alive said: Sez who? The Written context... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderCowboy Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 213 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 303 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 Man has a bad habit of twistin' n cotortin' God's word to suit their own agenda or desire. To stray from the word in any form, takes from God's glory, it is self servin'. The good book clearly tells us what we are to believe without question. Just my two bits, JJ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The Written context... You mean someone's interpretation of the written context. My links are also interpretations of the written context. I think their interpretation is more sound. I'll bow out of this discussion, though. I've given the information I think is necessary and let the OP read the links I supply and those supplied by others and let him decide for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Tigger56 said: Who would desire even the worst of enemies to be in anguish for eternity? Hi Tigger, thank you very much for you answer(s). Actually, I for one want safety in my afterlife. If God is merciful with me, he will present it. I don't desire my enemies to anguish for eternity. I desire my own safety, and that's why I don't want any people that pose a threat to others to have the opportunity to do harm to me after death. Actually, I'm against all sorts of universalism (the teaching that everyone will end up in heaven after having received limited punishment). This teaching could set Jesus under pressure, I think. As he is supposed to judge. Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BorderCowboy said: Man has a bad habit of twistin' n cotortin' God's word to suit their own agenda or desire. To stray from the word in any form, takes from God's glory, it is self servin'. The good book clearly tells us what we are to believe without question. Just my two bits, JJ HAHAHA! I agree with you there. We all do it to one degree or another. Well, except I don't think it is always that clear. The bible was written to the men alive at the time a book was written. We sometimes don't have the correct context to apply to it, and can often times confuse ourselves. It was written TO them, but it was also written FOR us. Edited May 13, 2019 by Still Alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Still Alive said: You mean someone's interpretation of the written context. My links are also interpretations of the written context. I think their interpretation is more sound. I'll bow out of this discussion, though. I've given the information I think is necessary and let the OP read the links I supply and those supplied by others and let him decide for himself. No I meant what I wrote 'written context'... and that is the problem here isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: No I meant what I wrote... and that is the problem here isn't it? Then I don't think your statement is accurate. After all, many of the sources I quoted DEPEND on the written context for their interpretation. OK, THAT is my last word on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 It is a work to allow written context to be as it is written 2 Tim 2:15 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. KJV 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, thomas t said: yeah, it's sin. But my point is, if you just present the hell the "good" news stops being good. Jesus both healed the lame, the blind, and many more people and, later, he talked about hell. Some people here just present the hell; there's no balance. Thomas If that is what you are posting about, I agree with you, even Jesus in his famous gospel verse John3:16 offered eternal life first to those who believe, the warning about not believing, that most people don't read comes later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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