Wheat and the Tares

[Massorite]

Except for the fact that "tares" do have friut but turn black and are poisonous or bitter. So the statment might be well done but very wrong. According to my Greek English lexicon and several other study tools the tares are "a kind of darnel, bastard wheat that resembles wheat except that the grains are black which are not revealed until harvest time.

True enough, but they still grow "together" with the wheat until the time of harvest.

Peace.

Ken

Oh yes I agree. This is why God is waiting until the harvest time to seperate the wheat from the tares. We can not see who the tares but God can and by waiting until harvest time to seperate them the whaet do not become damaged in the process.

[Guest Ken Rank]

Oh yes I agree. This is why God is waiting until the harvest time to seperate the wheat from the tares. We can not see who the tares but God can and by waiting until harvest time to seperate them the whaet do not become damaged in the process.

Maybe we can Massorite. In the parable, the workers in the field asked if they could go and uproot the tares but were told not to in order to not accidentally uproot the wheat. God says we can know who is his and who is not by the fruit being produced. If we have a keen sense of discernment, prayerfully obtained, we can differentiate who is doing the Father's work and who is not. Doesn't mean we can judge unto condemnation those we believe might not be, only he can truly see the heart.

Peace.

Ken

[Massorite]

Oh yes I agree. This is why God is waiting until the harvest time to seperate the wheat from the tares. We can not see who the tares but God can and by waiting until harvest time to seperate them the whaet do not become damaged in the process.

Maybe we can Massorite. In theseparatewheat parable, the workers in the field asked if they could go and uproot the tares but were told not to in order to not accidentally uproot the wheat. God says we can know who is his and who is not by the fruit being produced. If we have a keen sense of discernment, prayerfully obtained, we can differentiate who is doing the Father's work and who is not. Doesn't mean we can judge unto condemnation those we believe might not be, only he can truly see the heart.

Peace.

Ken

Again I agree. Passing that kind of Judgment is reserved for God only.

[panza70]

Anybody ever wondered exactly what this passage means? I have!

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Word study in Strongs, Click each word for meanings

In His Love,

Suzanne

I believe that the "tares" are the unsaved people , and the "wheat" are the saved people. The "tares" go to the lake of fire, while the "wheat" goes to Heaven [ barn ]. My opinion here.

[JohnD]

The comment comes from what I like to call Jesus' State of the Union Address.

The union is rather the kingdom of Israel.

Matthew 13 (KJV)

1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

There are indeed some things in this chapter that we can apply to the Church. But we must remind ourselves that it was God's plans for the Jews to lead the way in the Church. But because of their infiltration by the enemy at several points in history, and the corruption of the leadership, the Jews rejected their own destiny when they rejected their own Messiah. And this State of the Kingdom address points out how this came about. One of the tares sown in the wheat field for example is how in Exodus 18 when Moses did not as much as consult the Lord about his father-in-law's suggestion to create what turned out to be the Sanhedrin that eventually tried and condemned the Holy One of Israel (the Ultimate Innocence) to death on a cross. Jethro was a pagan priest of Midian btw. It sounded good to Moses (Jethro's suggestion)... but he did not consider ...

Proverbs 14:12 (KJV)

12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 (KJV)

25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

These are the tares sown in the wheatfield...

Romans 9:6 (KJV)

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

[tsth]

The union is also directed at today's church....the message is also for "US".

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest yod]

This is much simpler than some of you are making it out to be....

The wheat are those who are faithful, the tares are those who gather among the faithful but are not.

This reminds me of a quote from Martin Luther King, "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

Those "silent friends" are the tares growing up among us, who seems like one of us...but are not.

[JohnD]

The union is also directed at today's church....the message is also for "US".

Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

In His Love,

Suzanne

No one being haughty here. I am merely reporting what scripture teaches... and I am all about getting the natural branches grafted back in. I spent years learning how to witness Jesus using just the Tanakh to witness to Jewish people.

May I ask if you have done as much for the Jews?

In his love,

John

[tsth]

I'm not talking about the Jews....and wasn't really directing the "haughtiness" at you per se, just talking about the current-day church in general....the church needs to beware and learn to examine itself.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Massorite]

I'm not talking about the Jews....and wasn't really directing the "haughtiness" at you per se, just talking about the current-day church in general....the church needs to beware and learn to examine itself.

In His Love,

Suzanne

I agree. have never understood the wheast and the tares to be speaking about anything other then the church of today. There are people whom we sit next to every Sunday who will some day turn us in for being a Christian to save their own hide.