I've been perplexed with the exact meaning of several Bible verses and parables; and how they fit together and what does it mean to me personally, and collectively as a church and the Christian body? Namely, the parable of the Ten Virgins of Matthew 25: and the following verses. I believe my understanding has changed. I'm not claiming this view is the correct one, but I think it's worth a civil discussion to compare our views.
Luke 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Escape all these things, what things? I don't believe Jesus is talking about the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., I believe this is yet future. I believe this talks about the 'tribulation' and escaping it in the Harpazo.
Matthew 24:38 (KJV) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Whom do you suppose Jesus is talking to in the above verses? Is it the heathen, Jew's or believers and the church? As in the days of Noah, everything will be normal, there's prosperity and few worries, life goes on. The flood took them all by surprise and they were not expecting it even though Noah was preaching it for a hundred years. I now believe Jesus is talking to and warning the born again and the church to not be caught off guard, walk in His ways of righteousness and not living a carnal life when He unexpectedly comes for His church, the body of Christ.
There doesn't seem to be any divisions between those taken; such as sheep and goats, the lost or the saved. It doesn't appear to me this is a Salvation issue. It appears to me, that those whom are ready and watching and patiently waiting, not living carnal lives but walking in righteousness and following the Lord are the ones Raptured. That these cited that were left behind, had previously accepted the Lord as their personal Savior, but reverted back to a carnal life; will have to enter the "Tribulation", even though their souls are saved. They will most likely have to become martyrs for the faith?
I'd like to know your thoughts about Jesus' very first recorded miracle at the start of His ministry; of turning water into wine. And of where he was physically at, for what reason and purpose, and what He was doing.
I have my own thoughts, and I believe the "law of first mention" has a lot of significance and import with this first public miracle of His ministry; and the sequence of prophetic events yet to come to pass. You may already know where I'm heading with this?
By Revelation Man
There is a lot of confusion on the timing of events in Revelation, I am going to place the events in Chronological order according to when the Events occurred. This seems to confuse many people, we actually have many people who believe the Seals have already been broken. We have some who put forth many ideas that seem inconsistent with the actual scriptures. I am doing this for a reference point to those interested.
Revelation 1-3 is of course Jesus speaking to the Seven Churches. This really doesn't need to be discussed in this endeavor, its self explanatory.
Revelation 4, John has been hearing Jesus' voice in Rev. 1-3, now he is in the Spirit, and is in Heaven, or sees a vision of Heaven. His vision begins as the 70th Week of Daniel begins on earth, the 24 Elders are in heaven in Rev. 4 as is the Church in Rev 5. We see this same Church in Rev. 7 and Rev. 19. The 24 Elders and the Four Beasts with Six Wings are continually praising God Almighty.
In Rev. 5 we see an Angel announces their is a Sealed Scroll of God, and announces there is no man in heaven or on earth that is Worthy to open the Sealed Book. John cries, but an Angel tells him to Stop!! Jesus the Lamb is Worthy, he is not a man per se, but he is the Son of God who was slain for our sins, the Lamb of God. Jesus takes the Sealed Scroll from God Almighty, he is shown to be God also by the designation of having Seven eyes and Seven spirits, he sees all and is everywhere at once. The 24 Elders and four beasts fell down before the Lamb, the had harps and golden vials which are the prayers of the Saints (Israel's Saints on earth), then the 24 and 4 sing Worthy is the Lamb, and praise him for redeeming them out of every, Nation, tongue, people and kindred !! This denotes the Church is in Heaven. The Saints prayers are Israel, who have repented and turned to God just before the Abomination of Desolation (AoD), as Malachi 4:5-6 says. The Church is thus shown in Rev. 7, just after God Seals the 144,000. I personally do not know if the 144,000 is a real number of if it stands for All Israel, 12 is deemed a number of fullness by God, and we have 12 x 12 here. I am not willing to say I know for sure, either way, this is about Israel only, and God does protect Israel in the Wilderness for 1260 Days. Revelation 4,5,7,19 are pretty much the same vision, just a continuation of sequenced events.
Rev. 4. God Almighty is Worthy.
Rev. 5. The Lamb is Worthy.
Rev. 7. The 144,000 are protected, the Church is is Heaven and is shown to have come out of every nation.
Rev. 19. The Church is shown in Heaven for the Full Seven Year period of the Tribulation.
Moving on, Revelation Chapter 6: The most Important chapter as per the Time-lines of God/Jesus. The Wrath of the Lamb is brought forth, Jesus opens the Seven Seals and allows destruction and chaos to come upon man-kind. Revelation 13 happens here, as does Rev. 12 where Israel flees into the Wilderness, as does Rev. 17 where the Anti-Christ/Beast destroys all Religions and thus all False Religions, thus the Harlot is destroyed by the Kings (Rev. 17:16) at this very time. The Anti-Christ/Beast is a Man, he is allowed to come forth by Jesus, Satan of course has been trying to create a one world governance for ages, but God/Jesus has never allowed it to come to pass, thus Paul speaks about the Holy Spirit restraining him from coming forth in Thessalonians. Now Jesus "Opening" the Seals, is only Jesus allowing Satan, who has now been cast out of Heaven, to bring forth the Man of Sin/Anti-Christ as the One World Dictator.
This is the Lambs Wrath, but the inhabitants of earth do not realize it until the 6th Seal is opened, because that Seal is easily recognizable via the Scriptures in Joel 2:31 and Matthew 24:29. The Sun turning dark, the moon turning to blood and a Great Earthquake as never seen before, to go along with Heavens being shaken. Nevertheless, the Anti-Christ is allowed to come forth because of the Lambs Wrath at man-kind. Each Seal is meant to show Jesus is bringing these things to pass as Judgment, The White Horse represents the Conquering Anti-Christ/Beast, the Red Horse represents what the Beast being in charge brings to pass on man-kind. He will will bring War, Violence, Death, Destruction and Disease. He deceives to gain power by offering all parties Peace and Security, but of course he is a liar just like his father Satan. The Black horse is Famine and judgment, the Pale horse is Death/Disease and Hades/Grave. A 1/4 of all men will be killed. This comes from Conquering, and from demanding of all men that they worship the Beast as God, or die. Thus the Kings in league with the Beast do away with all Religions, there is no place for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. etc. So the Harlot (Rev. 17:16) is Judged at this time, Israel is chased into the Wilderness, all Israelis who do not flee will be made to worship the Beast as God or die, the Remnant of Christ (Rev. 12:17) will also be murdered, unless they worship the Beast.
The 5th Seal is opened as a testimony against man-kind, the Martyrs of Christ are told they must wait until their fellow brethren have been killed also, meaning they must wait until the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42 Month reign is over, then they will be redeemed and raised from the dead. The Church is in Heaven (Rev. 4,5,7 and 19) the Remnant pf the Church is on earth, and they are being murdered. Jesus now opens the 6th Seal, a Great Earthquake like never before hits, the Sun is Darkened, the Moon turns Blood Red and Meteorites hit the earth, man-kind now realizes they are in the Wrath of God, they have been deceived and for many its too late, they have already taken the Mark of the Beast, so they must try and join the Beast in defeating God, that is their only hope, and it is futile, of course. This is why they worship the Dragon and the Beast in Revelation 13 (Rev. 13 is happening at this same time as Rev 6 of course), their fate is set. But when it finally hits the they are in Gods Wrath they cry out for the rocks to hide them from the face of the Lambs Wrath, for "The Day of the Lord" has come upon them swiftly. They realize they are in the Day of the Lord, exactly what the Thessalonians had feared, its a 3.5 year period of Gods Wrath. It covers the Lambs Wrath (Seals) the Holy Spirits Wrath (Trumpets) and the Fathers Wrath (Vials). All three are Gods Wrath of course.
The Two-Witnesses of course are active at this same time. They have shown up just before the AoD happens (Malachi 4:5-6), and they turn Israel back unto God, thus all Israel is saved, just as Isaiah and Paul stated, not every Jew, but Israel as a nation turns back unto God. God has given us the clues to the riddle to understand all of these players timing. Its rally very easy, but yet I still get NO,You are WRONG, even though I can't be wrong as per the Math (2 + 2 = 4). The Two-Witnesses timeline is 1260 Days of preaching and testifying. The Beasts reigns for 42 Months, Israel Flees to the Wilderness for 1260 Days.............It is all Gods ingenious planning that gives us exactly how everything goes down. We know the Two-Witnesses have to show up before the Abomination of Desolation happens because Malachi 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah will turn Israel back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord, and because the Two-Witnesses die at the end of the Second Woe........Before the Anti-Christs 42 month reign is over, so if he reigns for the EXACT SAME TIME in length, 42 Months = 1260 Days, then they have to show up on the scene before the Beast comes to power !! There is no other answer, and we understand this because the Math can't be questioned. Its plain for everyone to see. So the Two-Witnesses show up, turn Israel back to God just as Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1 says, then when the Anti-Christ/Beast comes onto the scene, Israel Flees to the Wilderness and is protected by God for 1260 Days (Rev. 12). It all fits very nicely, and Gods time-line makes it unmistakable.
Since Revelation 18 is Babylon (Governments of the World/Statue of Daniel 2) being Judged, that happens in part at this time also. The Seals are a judgment against the Governments of the World that have thrown in with the Beast and the Dragon/Satan. Thus 1/4 of man-kind is slain, the Sun is Darkened, the Moon turns Red, Meteorites hit the earth and a Great Earthquakes shakes the world. As we go forth, each set of Judgments become more violent in nature until we come to the last three Woes, the last Woe is the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath, the very last of which Destroys Babylon (Rev. 16:19) once and for all. IT IS DONE !! There is no actual Revelation 17 or 18 as per REAL TIME EVENTS. The Harlot is Judged in Rev. chapter 6, and Babylon is Judged by all of the Seals, Trumpets ad Vials of Gods Wrath. (Revelation 6 is the most important chapter when it comes to understanding the time-line of God per Revelation.)
Revelation 7 is the Sealing of the 144,000 and the Church in Heaven that came out of the great tribulation, the 2000 year period of tribulation that the Church goes through during the Church Age. We know they are from every Nation and Tongue and they are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Just as Rev. 5,6, 7 and 19 go together, Rev. 6, 8, 9, 11, 14, 15 and 16 all go together. Rev. 10, 13, 17 and 18 are each on their own in that that they tell a story/vision that seems set unto itself. Rev. 13 goes with Rev. 6 as per the timing, but its revealing to us the False Prophet, the Mark of the Beast and that the Beast is a Man.
Revelation 8 is the the Seventh Seal being sounded. It brings forth the Seven Trumpet Judgments. It of course happens after the Seven Seals, all of the Seals/Trumpets and Vial happen in Sequence, many of the other chapters of Revelation of course happen out of sequence or overlap. This thread isn't really about the Seals/Trumpets/Vials damage to man-kind, its about the SEQUENCES OF REVELATION, so there is no need to mention the Trumpets effects on the world, we all know what that brings forth. My Revelatin 6 Commentary was so long because it is the linchpin around which all of the Revelation time-line is revealed unto us. This is why God mentions the Middle of the Week in Daniel 9:27 and mentions the Time, times and 1/2 time in Daniel in a few places. This is why the Day of the Lord and Gods Wrath are mentioned in various places throughout the bible. That all happens in REVELATION CHAPTER 6. The Fleeing of Israel into the Wilderness also happens there, the Two-Witnesses come to turn Israel back to God, just before the AoD happens in Rev. 6, that chapter is key to most all of the End Time Prophecies as per the TIMELINES.
Revelation 9 is the 5th and 6th Trumpets being sounded, better known as the 1st and 2nd Woes. The 2nd Woe is stretches forth into chapter 11 also, because the Two-witnesses die just after the 2nd Woe in Rev. 11. The 1st Woe is the Demonic horde being released from the bottomless pit, and Apollyon is released here also, he is King over them, he is the one that kills the Two-Witnesses in Rev. 11. This Demonic horde is allowed to maim and hurt mankind for 5 months, but not to kill them. The 2nd Woe is the 200 Million Horsemen, I think this is an Angelic Army of God, they have Breastplates like the High Priests of God whereas the Demonic horde has Breastplates of Iron like Rome. They slay a 1/3 of all the people left on earth. We now have 7 Billion plus people, close to 8 billion probably,so lets say there is a Billion plus Christians who are Raptured, that would leave 6 Billion people on earth. 1/4 or 1.5 Billion will be slain by the Anti-Christ/Beast leaving 4.5 Billion people, now here again, 1/3 of mankind are slain, or 1.5 Billion people again, leaving 3 Billion on earth. The reason I think these are Angelic beings is two-fold, they have the Breastplates of the High-priests and they destroy via "Plagues of God" because mankind is still worshiping devils made of Gold, silver, brass, stone and wood, just like in Daniel ch. 5, where Babylon is Destroyed (MENE, MENE, TEKEL) for the same reason. Remember, Babylon is being destroyed by the Seals, Trumpets (Woes) and Vials. Look below, that's what is happening. The 200 Million are of God, they are not men.
Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 10 is mostly a Mystery. There were seven thunders uttered but we are not privy to what they mean. It seems to me that we are being told that when the Seventh Angel sounds TIME will be no more, or the time will be up for man-kinds reign on earth as well as Satan's. As per the timeline of the vision, I don't think its really knowable, this is mostly a very secretive chapter.
Revelation 11 of course is about the two-witnesses, but John is first told to measure the Temple of God and told the outer court is given to the Gentiles for the "HOLY CITY" is to be trodden under foot for 42 Months. Notice Jerusalem is called the HOLY CITY. Not a Harlot !! The Two-Witnesses have the power to pray forth all manner of plagues down onto the Earth, this starts just before Revelation 6 and lasts all the way unto the the 2nd Woe, just before the 3rd Woe or all Seven Vials. The Second Woe overlaps the Two-Witnesses deaths, they die in Jerusalem, which is not mentioned, but it is stated it is spiritually known as Sodom and Egypt, and its the place where our Lord died. Thus everyone knows its Jerusalem without John mentioning Jerusalem, so Rome would not be accusing anyone of sedition/treason since they had destroyed Jerusalem. Everyone knew that God had turned His back on Israel and Jerusalem. The whole world rejoices when Apollyon kills the Two-Witnesses who they felt brought forth all of the plagues against them via prayer. The Two-Witnesses are raised up by God and called to heaven while all the earth watches. An Earthquake again comes upon Man-kind, notice just before the 7th Seal there is a Great Earthquake, likewise just before the 7th Trumpet there is a Great Earthquake, and just before the 7th Vial there is a Great Earthquake when Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives, these are WARNINGS to man-kind of impending doom. There is One Woe left, and that is to come upon man-kind very quickly. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. The Seventh Angel Sounds, and God takes Dominion, he is about to destroy the last vestiges of Evil with His Seven Vials of Wrath.
Revelation 12 is only showing two things, Satan is cast out of Heaven at the mid-way point of the 70th Week, and Israel Flees to the Wilderness at the same point in time. God protects Israel (Woman). The Remnant of the Church who became Christians after the Rapture, becomes the Anti-Christ/Beasts target. Verses 1-6 only encodes the story by using Genesis 37:9.
Revelation 13 is of course happening at the Mid-way point or during Rev. 6, that is when the Anti-Christ/Beast comes forth onto the scene. He arises out of the Sea, and the False Prophet follows suite. He is shown to be a MAN, and he demands to be worshiped as God, all that follow him must take the Mark of the Beast, all who refuse must be Killed. All Religions are wiped out, only the Beast can be worshiped, thus you serve the Beast or die, there is no middle ground. Its Humanism (The number of his name is 666) or death.
Revelation 14 is the Harvest of the World, Jesus lands on Mt Zion, its Judgment time, this actually happens in Rev. 16, this is just a vision of the Harvest unto itself, an in depth explanation of the Harvest and here we also see Babylons Fall. The 144,000 we can't be sure who they are, I never say with a certainty who/what something is if I am not sure. We do know they are the First-fruits redeemed of the earth. An Angel with the everlasting Gospel preaches the Gospel (as a witness to their sins I assume) unto every nation and kindred. Another Angel announces Babylon is Fallen, this actually happens at Rev. 16:19, in the same exact sequence, Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives, then destroys Babylon (The Nations that gather against God and Israel). The Angel says Babylon made the nations drink of the wine of her fornication's. This can only be Babylon, the Beast Nation that thrust False Religion onto all the World. Israel may have sinned against God, and served false gods, but they in no wise carried forth these false Religions and false gods to the nations of the world, Babylon is the Mother of False Religions/False gods. Babylon is the Head of Gold of the Statue, and we know the statue gets Smashed by Jesus Christ the Rock, and then the Kingdom is given to the Saints. The third Angel then warns all, if anyone has taken the Mark of the Beast, the same will be judged and tormented with fire forever and ever. The Angel announces that the Saints that die will be rewarded henceforth, they just need to be patient. Then the cycle is Thrust in and the Wine-press of Gods Wrath is revealed OUTSIDE the City meaning of course at Armageddon, and the Blood comes up to the horses bridles. This Chapter basically happens in Rev. chapter 16, but this is an enhanced telling of the Harvest.
Revelation 15 is of course the Seven Vials of Gods Wrath being delivered from he Four Beasts unto the Seven Angels.
Revelation 16 is the Seven Vials of God being poured out upon man-kind. These are all manner of plagues, sores, diseases etc. etc. The 6th Vial is poured out and the Euphrates is dried up, just like in Daniel, and then Babylon falls. These Nations gather themselves against God and Israel at Meggido, better known as Armageddon. The 7th Vial is then poured out, and Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives just like Zechariah 14 says, and he then defeats Babylon (The Nations that Gather at Armageddon Rev. 16:19 Babylon/The Nations FELL) the Anti-Christ/Beast and all of his Kings and Armies, just like Rev. 14 says and just like Rev. 19 says. All three are basically the same events from different perspectives.
Rev. 14 is the Harvest, Babylon is Defeated and Harvested to the Grave.
Rev. 16 is Seven Vials being Poured out. Babylon Falls when Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives and destroys them Without Hand/By the Holy Spirit.
Rev. 19 is the Church Marrying the Lamb, then Returning with the Lamb to defeat the Anti-Christ and his Minions.
Revelation 16 ends the Reign of Man-kind, the Angel says; IT IS DONE !!
Revelation 17 is if course as I explained in the Rev. 6 commentary, the Harlot being Destroyed, it also explains who the Seven Headed Beast and the Harlot is in full detail, but the Harlot is actually killed off in real time during Rev. chapter 6. The Harlot is All False Religion. When the Harlot is killed off in Rev. 17:16 we see that the Kings hate her and burn her. (But they love Babylon or World Governance)
Revelation 18 is Babylon being Destroyed by the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. God tells His people to come out of Babylon, that is a Warning for the Jewish peoples to come back to Israel, if they stay in the Babylonian countries of Europe, they will have no shot at survival when all of this comes down. Babylon being inhabited by Devils only means that Satan is cast down from Heaven and Apollyon and his horde has been released from the bottomless pit. The commerce of Babylon will be destroyed when Gods plagues start reigning down, of course. When Babylon is burned and destroyed, the Kings will cry and lament her demise. (Babylon = World Governance = The Statue of Gold, Silver, Brass, Iron and Clay)
Revelation 19 is the Church in Heaven for the full Seven Year Period. She marries the Lamb, puts on White garments, then we ride White horses back to earth with Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, then he defeats the Anti-Christ/Beast and his Armies without hand/by the Spirit of his mouth, and he casts the Beast and False Prophet straight into hell (Rev 19:20), just like Daniel 7:11 says.
Revelation 20 is Satan being bound for 1000 years in the bottomless pit, then the Judgment seats are set up for the Beheaded/Martyrs of the Tribulation in 20:4, they are judged at this point in time and found to be righteous. They will live and serve with Jesus on earth for 1000 years. The Evil men of Satan will remain in the grave until the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth is over, then they will be judged after Satan is loosed for a season then conquered once and for all after he deceives the nations yet again. All the dead will be Judged at this time.
Revelation 21 is the New Heaven and New Earth coming down, no use going into detail, we know this is at least 1000 years into the future.
Revelation 22 is of course us living in Heaven with Jesus/God forever and ever. Glory to God.
By Jane Chai
Jesus uses the analogy of birth pain in the end time season: the baby is being born. The birth pain is what makes it worth, pressure is there to purify the church. Is a challenging time, but we can't lose sight of the baby.
The birth pain describes how society as a whole is responding in a negative way, in terms of how human interacts with a human. We need to pray against it, and not accept them.
We are called to act in an opposite Spirit, instead of bitterness we walk in love. Don't lose your walk with God, just because someone treats you wrong. There's so much more in God.
Hi all. Here's another video, this one about the Mark of the Beast. It's a bit longer than the other videos (a run time of 18 minutes) and it comes in 3 parts (the other 2 parts will be released later).
The video attempts to detail how the Mark of the Beast will almost certainly manifest itself as a microchip implant in the hand for buying/selling and how various strategies for taking it are being developed and disseminated to the general public.
I look forward to some lively discussion.