101G Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, other one said: well then riddle me this.... Moses and 74 other people of the elders of Israel saw the God if Israel..... the God of Israel is Yahweh/I AM or whatever you want to call him however Jesus told us that no man has ever seen the Father... So tell me how this can be without causing a very serious conflict within the Bible.... Is the Bible mistaken or was Jesus mistaken or is it they are both right and Jesus/Yahweh/I AM is not the Father the answer, know the difference between a "MANIFESTATION" and a "APPERANCE". what they in the OT saw was an apperance. God in the old testament "appeared", not Manifested, but appeared. ok. if you don't understand what we're saying just ask. PICJAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 PfffT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101G Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, other one said: PfffT so, are you saying you already KNOW?. PICJAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, 101G said: this is interesting, so what did he peel, and how much? PICJAG. now this is the closet anyone came to what we have been saying. A third! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 is there any difference between ice, water and steam? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101G Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kristin said: A third! a third of what? PICJAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101G Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jostler said: is there any difference between ice, water and steam? properties or characteristic. Edited July 20, 2019 by 101G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 101G said: property or characteristic. yep...and exactly identical substance Quote Jhn 14:7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Jhn 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father'? Edited July 20, 2019 by Jostler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101G Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/13/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jostler said: yep...and exactly identical substance we agree, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high". the characteristic of "his" person is the same person. the term "express image" is, G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') which means "character", or characteristic. which the term "Son" means the same thing. so the Son is the expressed image of the Father in flesh. this is accomplish by "Sharing" not peeling off someof his Spirit, no, but fully "sharing" his spirit EQUALLY in flesh, see Phil 2:6 PICJAG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 In whose authority did Jesus speak? How do we account for the fact the authority He spoke in was not His own if He is the Father? Quote Jhn 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. I tend to believe there's a bit of a mystery here we don't fully comprehend and can't comprehend from this dimension. Is an image the same as the reality? If I have a polaroid snapshot of you, do I have you? Or just a rather precise and informative representation of you. If I see your image can I say I have seen you? I honestly think He gives us the ability to at least begin to grasp some concepts here, but i don't think any analogy is perfect in fully explaining everything involved. Perhaps some humility and admission of partial understanding is more appropriate than dogmatism when it comes to these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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