evolution?

[Scarletprayers]

Well, the Bible clearly says that God created all things after their kind. Evolution denies this. So, a belief in evolution in any form (even "Theistic evolution") is a denial of the plain teaching of Scripture.

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Trust & Obey, could you explain this further, I don't see it as in anyway denying a belief in God? (Theistic evolution)

[Trust & Obey]

Mutations are genetic erros. These are not helpful, they are harmful.

Anyone who has ever had a bug in their computer (the information equivalent of a "mutation") knows that bugs are harmful, not helpful.

The liklihood of a genetic error causing an improvement to a species is miniscule. And, in order to have meaningful change over long periods of time, like biological evolution suggests, would require the compounding of genetic error upon genetic error. This would cause compounding harm[i/i] to a species, not compounding improvement.

Random mutations, even if they did cause a genetic "improvement," would be so incremental and isolated as to not add any benefit to the survivability of an organism.

Darwinian evolution does not have the capacity to explain the successful formation of large systems, made up of multiple sub-systems, over a period of time.

[Trust & Obey]

Well, the Bible clearly says that God created all things after their kind. Evolution denies this. So, a belief in evolution in any form (even "Theistic evolution") is a denial of the plain teaching of Scripture.

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Trust & Obey, could you explain this further, I don't see it as in anyway denying a belief in God? (Theistic evolution)

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Hi, Kahlan. Please read the verses below of the creation account:

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Gen 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

Do you see how it repeatedly says "after its kind," and "after his kind?"

Does this not eliminate evolution from a single-celled organism, such as an amoeba, as the source of all of the living things we see today.

Is not God saying that he created the plant and animal kingdom whole and complete... a finished product?

[Guest Samaritan]

The races of man must have evolved from the originals.

[Trust & Obey]

The races of man must have evolved from the originals.

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Yes, but the "originals" were men and women, not amoebas.

The word evolution has several meanings. The only legitimate evolution that takes place, as a proven scientific fact, is micro-evolution. This is merely variation within a kind.

[Guest Samaritan]

The races of man must have evolved from the originals.

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Yes, but the "originals" were men and women, not amoebas.

The word evolution has several meanings. The only legitimate evolution that takes place, as a proven scientific fact, is micro-evolution. This is merely variation within a kind.

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You accept then that mankind has evolved and is evolving.

Edited June 17, 2005 by Samaritan

[mrs]

So many different opinions about evolution.

[fenwar]

Well, the Bible clearly says that God created all things after their kind. Evolution denies this.

How so? God created all different kinds of creatures. Evolution is a mechanism by which all different kinds of creatures have evolved. Where is the contradiction?

When someone says "God created evolution", what they mean is that God created:

- mutations and variation

- heredity

- a struggle for survival and death

- reproduction

Yeh that's what I said. (I would caveat the "struggle" bit but we can come to that later if you want.)

Mutations are genetic erros. These are not helpful, they are harmful.

So the genetic error that gave us opposable thumbs was harmful? Or the one that gave my body the ability to fight infection? Or the one that gave it the ability to digest and release energy from complex foods? I could go on...

This would cause compounding harm[i/i] to a species, not compounding improvement.

This is where "natural selection" does its work. Harmful mutations will generally not survive. Advantageous mutations generally will.

Evolution is the opposite of what Genesis says.

Not at all. In fact they're pretty similar.

Genesis 1 describes God creating first the earth, then plants, then animals, then man.

Scientific theories, including evolution, describe the mechanism by which first the earth, then plants, then animals, then man, came in to being.

The only people who end up with "opposites" are:

(a) the scientist who tells you that because he can describe the mechanism, he has eliminated God (someone who has moved from physical and biological evidence to a completely unjustifiable metaphysical conclusion), or

(b) the Bible interpreter who tells you that Genesis 1 is meant to be read as a literal, eyewitness account of the mechanism of creation (someone who has made the assumption that this piece of ancient literature could not possibly mean anything else)

With the greatest of respect, I think that both of these people are mistaken.

[edit -added the "caveat"]

Edited June 17, 2005 by fenwar

[Guest debate-confusion]

thanx for the help people but even though it got a little confusing but thanx anyway.

Yasuragi

[mrs]

Well, the Bible clearly says that God created all things after their kind. Evolution denies this.

How so? God created all different kinds of creatures. Evolution is a mechanism by which all different kinds of creatures have evolved. Where is the contradiction?

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Evolution teaches that one form evolved into another.Genesis teaches that God created them alongside each other. Thats a big difference.And more than that evolution has a big problem right at it's core.For instance, many evolutionists believe that birds came from dinosaurs.Now how could a dinosaur, with only information for being a dinosaur come up with information (DNA) for a bird?It just doesn't work.