Guest Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Hell to me in one way is simply where God does not abide. He is missing. That we can see on earth all around. Where people do as they please. No restraints. But more so, it is real eternally for the dead.. A place of utter cold darkness and also of fires. Where souls go who willingly rejected God and love and acted accordingly. They chose to go there. Edited August 18, 2019 by Melinda12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 2:03 PM, Evgen said: Who had created hell? GOD is Love – He couldn’t. Love doesn’t create tortures. On the other hand, All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3) So, who had made it? Let’s first try to make a passable definition. Hell (a.k.a. sheol, hades, gehenna, bottomless pit, underworld) is the spirit area, actually existing and operating in the spirit world. The exact physical position of hell is deep in the center of our Earth globe – “the nether parts of the Earth.” Please note Genesis 3:19; Psalms 63:9; Ezekiel 26:20; 31:14-18; 32:18-32. However, even if some researchers ever manage to get there, nothing of the sort might be found. The venture would have been much the same success as trying to see Angels out there in the sky. Proverbs 3:5; 21:30; 1Corinthians 1:19. Now, we humans are they who made it. All our sins (evil words & actions) are born in and commanded by the mind when we give in to evil thoughts sent out by the demons. For our mind is a battlefield. 2Corinthians 10:5; Ephesians 6:16-17. Those evil thoughts of humans develop into their evil intentions, attitudes, words, deeds, and thus “echo” in the spirit world at some spiritual dumping ground – hell. To that, Genesis 1:4 might well testify. Hell is still being enlarged by and actually waiting for the unsaved souls investing into it. For, surely, the total amount of sin done is much more than that repented of, confessed to and forgiven by LORD GOD. Proverbs 27:20. This Scripture (on another subject, but) might serve a good analogy: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. (Matthew 18:18) There are many Parables of Christ helping us to comprehend Heaven and hell. Why can’t we also comprehend hell several ways, compared, say, to a bank wherein there are only negative accounts or debts (see Matthew 6:12) collected? Speaking of hell, there have always been people who had Visions of hell. The pictures honestly described are fearful, yet, hardly perceivable since they are but symbols. Which symbols require the right interpretations. Note Daniel 8:27; 10:1. Since hell is a spiritual substance, the tortures therein are spiritual too. The Scriptures defines hell as fire – the spiritual fire it is. The fearful pain which physical fire does to our body is thus well compared to the sufferings of a human spirit in hell – the eternal agony of his or her conscience. Psalms 51:3; Matthew 13:42,50; Luke 13:28. And what about Satan & his demons? Isn’t the hell (and the second death) their final destination? 2Peter 2:4 & Revelation 20:14. Christians apt to Godly sorrow & Repentance can pray, confess, and expect to be forgiven. Others can’t. Why? Because the demons block up the voice of their conscience by evil thoughts of worldly reason. Genesis 3:6-7; Isaiah 59:7-11. Repentance isn’t possible in hell. How come? The time is up. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8; Jeremiah 8:6-7. Communications, whether good or evil, aren’t possible too. Spiritual darkness makes for that terrible loneliness. Every spirit is alone to mind his or her sorrows. Matthew 8:12; 22:13; 25:30. Nobody blocks one’s conscience anymore. 2Corinthians 4:4. At last, it’s free. For those who did that evil job are busy with their own pains. Matthew 25:41. Well, to each his due. Exodus 33:33; Job 34:11; Psalms 62:12; Jeremiah 17:10. Prayers aren’t heard too. For, possibly, only there & then the well-known worldly expression “God-forgotten place” is right. Those who died unbelievers will find exactly what they believed in themselves and taught others: “there is no GOD.” Deuteronomy 8:19; Job 8:13-14; Psalms 9:17; 14:1 & 53:1; Hosea 4:6. Want to have a glimpse in the hell? Try to imagine your clear & total recall and the remorse embracing all your past evil thoughts, words, and works. Romans 3:23. How much time would you manage to continue in such a state of mind? The condemned spirits abide so endlessly. Jude 1:7; Revelation 20:10,14,15; 21:8. Many persons, I am aware, have entered into ingenious debates about the Eternal Fire, by which the wicked will be tormented after the Judgment. But we may conclude from many Passages of Scripture, that it is a metaphorical expression... Let us lay aside the speculations, by which foolish men weary themselves to no purpose, and satisfy ourselves with believing, that these forms of speech denote, in a manner suited to our feeble capacity, a dreadful torment, which no man can now comprehend, and no language can express... (John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists... pp 200-201) Scripture further references: Psalm 9:15 (the hell is made by sinners) Isaiah 5:14 (the hell is being enlarged) Matthew 8:12; 22:13; 25:30 (outer darkness) 2Peter 2:4 (the hell is reserved unto Judgment) Revelation 14:9-10; 19:20; 20:10; 21:8 (spiritual fire) Revelation 20:13-14 (the hell becomes the second death) [From “Q & A – Christian Communion in Questions & Answers,” chapter 8] Its tough to hear but God created wickedness.....why couldn’t He create Hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 11 hours ago, JTC said: ...Hell wasn't created by man nor by man's sins. If anything it was created by the evil angels sins... -- By human sins too. God can't forgive them because He can never trust them again. I know I certainly wouldn't... -- Lame comparison. Since I also believe God is love incarnate I don't think He's going to torture anyone endlessly, certainly not humans... -- No. The second death is eternal. But I think humans thrown into the lake of fire will be burned up, that is consumed by the flames. Possibly the evil angels will also be annihilated... they too will cease to exist in the 2nd death... -- No. Spirits can't get burned up. The rest of your words are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Its tough to hear but God created wickedness.....why couldn’t He create Hell? No comments. Pray, save that and read in a couple of years again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Evgen said: No comments. Pray, save that and read in a couple of years again. You said...” no comment” and then you commented......I would be interested in what thoughts were behind your comments.Other than that......I have no comment .....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: You said...” no comment” and then you commented......I would be interested in what thoughts were behind your comments.Other than that......I have no comment .....lol Listen, Lol, you have had several posts commenting my topic (thanks a lot). So, these are my 2 comments to your 2 posts. OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Its tough to hear but God created wickedness.....why couldn’t He create Hell? God created satan to be good. It was his own pride that led to his rebellion. In the same way God wills that all be saved but many are not due to their resisting the call and grace of God. So we are dealing with God's perfect will v.s. free will allowed by God. It is God's righteousness that created eternal reward and eternal punishment for the wicked in hell fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Its tough to hear but God created wickedness.....why couldn’t He create Hell? God did not create evil, but He allows it. Evil is not a thing like a rock. You can not have a jar of evil. Evil is the absence of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, missmuffet said: God did not create evil, but He allows it. Evil is not a thing like a rock. You can not have a jar of evil. Evil is the absence of good. Yes, I understand where the disbelief and reluctance comes from— I was shocked too, when I first discovered it......however .......here it is .... King James Bible I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,774 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,464 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: King James Bible I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Actually this is a mistranslation. This is a video to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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