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the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

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8 hours ago, nobleseed said:

the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

In my opinion, the scriptures in Revelation 12, 13, 17, 18, etc.....are all about AMERICA; the place which John called "BABYLON THE GREAT". 

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On 8/28/2019 at 7:32 PM, nobleseed said:

the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

I think it is pretty clear that the woman of Rev. 12 is not Israel.  Rev. 12:17 states that the dragon goes after God's children* when it fails to get her.  I personally use the term God's children, just to be clear.  New Jerusalem is only referenced in Rev. 21.  

The term Israel is not used in Revelations.  I just chose a random article about that term and got this link link here.  Here is an interesting quote from it about this topic: " Fifth, the New Testament does not refer to Israel as a nation possessing the land forever; rather, it speaks of Abraham's believing covenant offspring inheriting the world ( Rom4:13 ).".

*Rev. 12:17

"And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea."

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On 8/28/2019 at 9:32 PM, nobleseed said:

the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

Slow down please! Why did God put "VIrgo" in the sky? Why did John see "Virgo" in the vision? Virgo was to represent the virgin who would give birth to the Messiah. Mary was a Jew - from Israel. Her Son was and is  a Jew from Israel. The Sun, Moon, Stars, refers back to Jacob and his 12 sons: Israel. The first five verses of chapter 12 are to show us how the dragon (the devil) tried to kill Jesus as a child.  

Jesus said that when those in Judea see the abomination THEY are to flee: therefore a "subset" of "Israel."  How many will flee? John does not tell us. Perhaps hundreds, perhaps thousands - but as you said, NOT all of Israel.

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On 8/28/2019 at 10:32 PM, nobleseed said:

the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

There are two women in rev. 12, One that flees into the wilderness which is Israel, and one that flies on wings of Eagles which is the church. The Church continues to produce offspring (overcomers, Saints), until the end of the Rule of the first beast of Rev. 13. and the rapture. The Jews that flee into the Wilderness are restored as a nation, The Church is raptured, and the Apostates of the church emerge as the Woman riding the Scarlet beast. (Rev. 17)

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On 8/28/2019 at 9:32 PM, nobleseed said:

the reason why the woman in rev 12 cannot be Israel is because later in the chapter, it says she flees on eagle wings to the wilderness where she is taken care of.  now can u imagine a whole country fleeing to the wilderness, unless u are talking about a mass exodus, which is even more problematic.  its better to take her as what it says. a woman who gives birth to a king.

Exodus 19:4 (KJV) Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

There is no doubt whatsoever the "woman" is Israel and backed up elsewhere in scripture. Eagles wings are synonymous with speed and swiftness as with the Exodus above. When the plain sense make common sense, seek no other sense.

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. By the way for Daniel’s prophecy to be true it must be Daniel’s people and city.Hi, I think the two women are Judah and Israel the divided kingdom. The Lord shows that during this time

He has two bands one called Favor which is the reason Israel has been able to survive is Favor. In Isaiah 5 it’s said to be a hedge He used this to keep all those nations who want nothing more than to destroy her. But the Lord has been removing the hedge and she has been under attack from misses, suicide bombers etc. apostate Israel has only two ways to react. First she could return to the Lord and He would fight for her.  Second she could try and replace the hedge. Apostate Israel chose to build a wall and trust in the work of their hands. That wall is going to make it possible for the vision of Jerusalem as a cooking pot in that day. This is The Time Jacob’s Trouble

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Mystery is very interesting for many reasons. One of which is the reaction of both John and Daniel when they were shown her they were mortified at who she was. If she were any of the Gentile cities their reaction would have been strange. But seeing the vision of apostate Israel would have been in keeping with being shocked. Why would anti-Christ want His Throne anywhere other than Jerusalem.? The simple answer is he wouldn’t. Scripture shows two days of the Lord one is the one where Christ returns and the great day of the Lord that takes place about 1,000 years after when Christ has been on the throne in Jerusalem. This is when Gog and Magog the Gentile nations follow Satan and are destroyed at Har Megiddo . This is the feast for the birds of the air. Why isn’t this the Day of the Lord when Israel, the apostate portion the feast of the air? First this is when anti-Christ and the false prophet lead the army of fallen angels that were held in prison just for this time of judgment. These angels are seen coming up from the Bottomless Pit with their King, anti-Christ. Anti-Christ. When these infernal locust are destroyed after they destroy the apostate portion of Israel, a faithful remnant escaping through the split in two Mount of Olives. Then the Lord comes as lightening from the east unto the west destroyng anti-Christ with the Brightness Of His Coming.’ Anti-Christ and the false prophet cast into lake of fire. Satan brought down from heaven in unbreakable chains and put into the Abyss to be held prisoner for 1,000 years. Then after the 1,000 years released deceives the nations who come against what appears to be an undefended Jerusalem the Lord goes out destroying Satan and defeating the apostate Gentile nations throwing Satan into LOF. GWTJ unbelieving Jews And Gentiles not in Book of Life thrown into LOF. Sealed and New heaven and earth. New Jerusalem as a Bride descends and the Passover our Lord said He would not eat of again until it was fulfilled in the Wedding Supper of the Lamb takes place. 

‘Have you thought of how anti-Christ will be the delusion who could almost fool the Elect? The apostate portion of Israel will believe Elijah has come. Having prepared the way for Messiah the false Elijah will seem to bring fire down from heaven. This fire will be anti-Chhrist as a counterfeit of the Shekinah Glory. Two things will be accomplished. The apostate will believe Elijah has come and has brought down Messiah. The fire from heaven will supply the fire for temple service to begin. That opens the door for anti-Christ to proclaim himself as God. 

There are so many additional items you realize it can’t be coincidence.

 

 

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