Intersexed,Klienfelters,Sin?

[Strickalator]

Ok now that We know people are born Eunuchs and >Intersexed....and born with effiminate or manly appearance...both men and women...just what do you do here?

I know some women that look alot like men and act aggressive ...and they admited to me they have high testosterone in theier systems...and vice versa as with me I have a low amount...

so what then...is it is a sin to live ?

here is what i have that i know of so far as far as a related medical condition

Low Testosterone

Edited June 18, 2005 by Strickalator

[Leonard]

Some men like a more aggressive woman. Being agressive and assertive is certainly not a sin.......

[Trinity]

Some men like a more aggressive woman.  Being agressive and assertive is certainly not a sin.......

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i agree

[Guest NewPilgrim]

As far as I am aware, there are only two types of cromozome (X & Y) patterns. Do intersexed or hermaphrodite persons have a patterns different to males and females?

My thinking is that if they do not have their own individual patterns, then the cromozomes will identify whether they are trully male or female and the gender they should aspire to emulate.

If they DO have their own individual pattern, then, blimey if I aint just stumped....

Edited June 18, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[Trinity]

As far as I am aware, there are only two types of cromozome (X & Y) patterns. Do intersexed or hermaphrodite persons have a patterns different to males and females?

My thinking is that if they do not have their own individual patterns, then the cromozomes will identify whether they are trully male or female and the gender they should aspire to emulate.

If they DO have their own individual pattern, then, blimey if I aint just stumped....

That is incorrect

Super Male XYY/ Male XY/ Female XX/ Super Female XXY.

Super males and super females are Abnormally agressive, Producing much more testosterone in their systems.

Edited June 18, 2005 by Trinity

[ayin jade]

In reading about Klinefelter's syndrome, I didnt see that sexual preference would be affected, only physical appearance and fertility. It is not a sin to live, however there can be a sinful lifestyle they choose to live. A man shouldnt be a crossdresser for example.

Im not sure if Ive adequately answered your question. I hope this helps tho.

[Guest NewPilgrim]

Thanks Jade, I've been reading up on it. Fascinating stuff. So far I have learned this:

Female (XX) Genitalia usually female, but occasionally both types are present

Male (XY) Genitalia usually male, but occasionally both types are present

Kleinfelter's Syndrome (XXY) Genetalia always female

XYY Syndrome (XYY) Genetalia always male

Turner's Syndrome (X0) Genetalia always female

Hermaphrodites are always (XX) or (XY)

As best as I can determine from this (bearing in mind that I was clueless half an hour ago) there is always a way to identify gender, either by the chromosomes or by the genitalia.

If both genitalia are present, chromosomes are either (XX) or (XY)

If extra chromosomes are present only one set of genetalia are present. (and it would seem that they are determined by whether the extra chromosome is X or Y)

It would seem that in every case, there is always at least one defining element, in the case of the common male or female, there are two defining elements. But it would seem that a defining element is always present.

If this is indeed the case, then it is possible for less common gender types to trace their gender definition, at least on a physical level, to either male or female. This of course doesnt leave much room for emotional and environmental influences and we should be sensitive to that. But in my opinion if we were asking for a scriptural answer to the original post, then we can only really apply the above considerations to determine what would be a sinful lifestyle for the person in question. I stress that this is only a clinical statement and that there are many other influences to consider in order to be fully sensitive to the issue.

Edited June 18, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[Guest NewPilgrim]

I think the point, rebel, was to figure out how a person can define what is sinful for them regarding biblical gender issues if they cannot define their gender.

My uneducated opinion is that there is always a way to define ones true gender as either male or female and so everyone is bound to the biblical laws of gender roles.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Strickalator,

so what then...is it is a sin to live ?

Low Testosterone

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From the web site:

"If you do have low testosterone, the good news is that the condition is treatable. There are several FDA-approved testosterone replacement therapies,"

Well, enough has been said about XX, XY etc, so if you feel you need a shot of masculinity, the condition IS treatable. At 60, I am now experiencing most of the systems, so the next time I see the doc, I think I will ask her about it.

But, no, you are precious in God's sight just the way you are. Live your life as unto the Lord and do not be overly concerned with the body. Just keep it healthy so the Lord can use it as His temple.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest Zayit]

I wonder how much research has been done tying this in with hormones in foods, milk, etc, especially since the industrial age.?