Why Did Jesus Die For Us

[Levi501]

I CANNOT BE HEALED, merely because I KNOW that it is the CURE, I must ALSO take it!

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I agree with this too. It also agrees with John 3:8 where John the immerser was speaking to the pharissees who were 'coming to be immersed'. He saw them and said;

3:8

If you have really turned from your sins to God, produce fruit that will prove it!

It also agrees with the root message witnessed by Yeshua and all his disciples of 'turning from sin to God".

Matthew 3:1-6

1 It was during those days thatYochanan the Immerser arrived in the desert ofY'hudah and began proclaiming the message, 2 "Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near!"

Matthew 4:17 From that time on, Yeshua began proclaiming, "Turn from your sins to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near!"

Luke 5:32 13:3 13:5 as well;

I have not come to call the `righteous,' but rather to call sinners to turn to God from their sins."

No, I tell you. Rather, unless you turn to God from your sins, you will all die as they did!

No, I tell you. Rather, unless you turn from your sins, you will all die similarly."

And

Mark 6:10 Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave the place; 11 and if the people of some place will not welcome you, and they refuse to hear you, then, as you leave, shake the dust off your feet as a warning to them." 12 So they set out and preached that people should turn from sin to God,

[Levi501]

Suzanne, it isn't hard to receive.

Faith saves. PERIOD. But, a faith that saves is a faith that works.

If someone has no works, then you can question whether their faith is saving faith. But, works will never save. They only prove the faith of a saved believer.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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How true, the law does not justify your faith, as much as faith in Yeshua does not justify your sins.

[Trust & Obey]

Is it just me?  Or is it seemingly the most important topics that are scarcely touched?  This one just seems so paramount.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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I would say that the reason this thread insn't getting the response that some other threads do is because there is, or should be, minimal disagreement on this subject.

Disagreement is what gets threads moving, not agreement. Sad, but true.

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How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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Then you might revisit the above passages in James 2

:21-:26

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Gal. 2 that you posted is not relevant to what i am saying. I am NOT speaking of the LAW, I am speaking of the effectual working power of the Lord Jesus in us, who act out our faith. (So, maybe in that you can find agreement in what I am saying. But, I will NEVER say that WORKS are not necessary, as I believe that would be in line with today's current lie in the church.) Our lives must prove out our belief/faith. We can no longer say we believe, and DO NOTHING, lest we MUST HAVE WORKS, to have a saving faith. They are ONE.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Suzanne, it isn't hard to receive.

Faith saves. PERIOD. But, a faith that saves is a faith that works.

If someone has no works, then you can question whether their faith is saving faith. But, works will never save. They only prove the faith of a saved believer.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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Hi Trust and obey

I agree with you...it drives me absolutely ballistic to see that so many nice and lovely believers put so much emphasis on works...I really don't get it....

i mean,according to my reading of the Book I see that God requires ABSOLUTE PERFECTION ...now,I want humbly ask,with tears in my eyes...WHO CAN MATCH THAT?

How in the world CAN ANYONE BE PERFECT?

I am surely no perfect...and I haven't met yet in 56 years of life on this planet anybody perfect!

WORKS WORKS WORKS= FEAR FEAR FEAR...FEAR that GOD after having sent HIS OWN SON to DIE( I mean DIE)and asking us to believe in HIM to be saved..well,the same GOD then requires WORKS.....well,He could have empowered humanity to perform GOOD PERFECT WORKS and then WHY SEND HIS SON TO DIE?

Am I saying that works have no place in the christian life? no,I am not saying that...but EVEN IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PERFORM PERFECT WORKS( and that means PURE MOTIVES,EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE GLORY OF GOD etc....) those works would never save us!

ONLY JESUS SAVES and FAITH IN HIM,this is the WORK that GOD REQUIRES....but is a long study...

btw,may God FREE US from this faith-works mix...it is ANOTHER GOSPEL...not the one that saved me...THANK GOD FOR JESUS,I say!

Blessings

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.well,He could have empowered humanity to perform GOOD PERFECT WORKS and then WHY SEND HIS SON TO DIE?

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Go back and read the OP, it will answer your above question!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Trust & Obey]

How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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Then you might revisit the above passages in James 2

:21-:26

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Gal. 2 that you posted is not relevant to what i am saying. I am NOT speaking of the LAW, I am speaking of the effectual working power of the Lord Jesus in us, who act out our faith. (So, maybe in that you can find agreement in what I am saying. But, I will NEVER say that WORKS are not necessary, as I believe that would be in line with today's current lie in the church.) Our lives must prove out our belief/faith. We can no longer say we believe, and DO NOTHING, lest we MUST HAVE WORKS, to have a saving faith. They are ONE.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Suzanne, we must "rightly divide the word of truth."

We have two passages citing something that appears to be opposite. We must reconcile them.

Here is what we know, Sis. Suzanne:

a) We know that good deeds, according to the law or not, do not save by themselves.

b) We know that faith DOES save

c) We know that faith is "made perfect" by works

d) We know that an unregenerate person has no capacity to please God

Taking all of this into account only leads to 1 conclusion, and that is:

Faith saves, but faith that saves is also faith that works. If a man's faith shows no works, then that faith is dead.

[Trust & Obey]

Suzanne, it isn't hard to receive.

Faith saves. PERIOD. But, a faith that saves is a faith that works.

If someone has no works, then you can question whether their faith is saving faith. But, works will never save. They only prove the faith of a saved believer.

Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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Hi Trust and obey

I agree with you...it drives me absolutely ballistic to see that so many nice and lovely believers put so much emphasis on works...I really don't get it....

i mean,according to my reading of the Book I see that God requires ABSOLUTE PERFECTION ...now,I want humbly ask,with tears in my eyes...WHO CAN MATCH THAT?

How in the world CAN ANYONE BE PERFECT?

I am surely no perfect...and I haven't met yet in 56 years of life on this planet anybody perfect!

WORKS WORKS WORKS= FEAR FEAR FEAR...FEAR that GOD after having sent HIS OWN SON to DIE( I mean DIE)and asking us to believe in HIM to be saved..well,the same GOD then requires WORKS.....well,He could have empowered humanity to perform GOOD PERFECT WORKS and then WHY SEND HIS SON TO DIE?

Am I saying that works have no place in the christian life? no,I am not saying that...but EVEN IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PERFORM PERFECT WORKS( and that means PURE MOTIVES,EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE GLORY OF GOD etc....) those works would never save us!

ONLY JESUS SAVES and FAITH IN HIM,this is the WORK that GOD REQUIRES....but is a long study...

btw,may God FREE US from this faith-works mix...it is ANOTHER GOSPEL...not the one that saved me...THANK GOD FOR JESUS,I say!

Blessings

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Amen, Bro. JC.

I think people who stand so strongly for works need to read the epistle to the Romans... slowly... exegetically. It is the gospel of grace. And, if grace....

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Amen, Hallelujah!

[jc49]

.well,He could have empowered humanity to perform GOOD PERFECT WORKS and then WHY SEND HIS SON TO DIE?

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Go back and read the OP, it will answer your above question!

In His Love,

Suzanne

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In His Love Suzanne,Shalom

let me ask you: DO YOU STILL SIN? yes/no

DO YOU ALWAYS DO THE WILL OF GOD,24/7 around the clock?yes/no

DO YOU LOVE GOD and YOUR NEIGHBOUR PERFECTLY?yes/no?

DO YOU WALK IN PERFECT FAITH ALL THE TIME?yes/no

if you ask me those questions I'll answer you...

Please ,I am asking this in love,answer my questions...with a YES or a NO...and then I tell you what I mean..thanks

May God bless you sister..

Shalom

[tsth]

How clearer can that be? Works do not justify. Faith of Christ justifies. The works only follow the saved believer thereby giving evidence to the presense of saving faith.

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Then you might revisit the above passages in James 2

:21-:26

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Gal. 2 that you posted is not relevant to what i am saying. I am NOT speaking of the LAW, I am speaking of the effectual working power of the Lord Jesus in us, who act out our faith. (So, maybe in that you can find agreement in what I am saying. But, I will NEVER say that WORKS are not necessary, as I believe that would be in line with today's current lie in the church.) Our lives must prove out our belief/faith. We can no longer say we believe, and DO NOTHING, lest we MUST HAVE WORKS, to have a saving faith. They are ONE.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Suzanne, we must "rightly divide the word of truth."

We have two passages citing something that appears to be opposite. We must reconcile them.

Here is what we know, Sis. Suzanne:

a) We know that good deeds, according to the law or not, do not save by themselves.

AGREED!

b) We know that faith DOES save

not if there are no works, then we have to make the distinction that true "saving" faith, will ALWAYS be acommpanied by works, which I'm pretty sure we agree on.

c) We know that faith is "made perfect" by works

You refer to James 2:22 where the question is asked. I believe that it would be better understood if we ask if faith is made "complete" by works, which I also agree with.

d) We know that an unregenerate person has no capacity to please God

the term "unregenerate" would mean??? Please show Scripturally what you are referring to? As I believe this is a term that is often times misused.

I believe for the most part we agree Trust, it's just again going back to the understanding of "Grace", where we probably differ. AGAIN, I would suggest you go and look at the OP, to see what I am referring to.

In His Love,

Suzanne.

Taking all of this into account only leads to 1 conclusion, and that is:

Faith saves, but faith that saves is also faith that works. If a man's faith shows no works, then that faith is dead.

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