JohnD Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, nobleseed said: it has become obvious to me that the christian church as a whole has not had many good teachers, that they are like little children that have not been taught properly. people on this forum are even saying the bible does not have to make sense, that it is all taken on faith. if we believe in nonsense then there is no truth and if what we confess makes no sense then why would non believers listen to us. God is a wise God and he wrote a wise book of truth and knowledge. as it says the senseless man will never understand. so stop u silly interpretations and understand properly with a sobre mind that is fruitful The Bible warns of false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing, deceiving spirits, and people who lean on their own understanding. 2 Peter 1:20-21 is the place to start. Yet almost no one does or even knows the Bible expects this of us. 2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV) 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The entire Bible came in this prophetic manner. The entire Bible is prophetic. Not one portion of the Bible is of any private (human) interpretation. Humanity (human reason / human shortsightedness / etc. under the most honorable of circumstances) is satanic. Matthew 16:13 - 23 is the juxtaposition by the Lord Jesus of "the things of man" versus "the things of God." The things of man he attributes to their source: Satan (which is why he called Peter Satan). This is why the traditions of man actually nullify the Word of God / everything God is doing since the beginning to save man (Mark 7:13). Now ask long established Christian denominations / Churches / pastors on what their authority is based and to a man they will say the traditions of man (maybe they do not realize it)... "the Roman Catholic Church" one says, the Southern Baptist Convention another says... etc. Ask me? Based on 2 Peter 1:20-21... Jesus makes every believer a priest of God (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9). Tell most folks that Jesus made you a priest and they will think you are nuts Why? Because the traditions of man are so entrenched in human thinking. Well, you have to go to seminary, etc. (they say). Indoctrination / brainwashing / programming? Isn't that what the Sanhedrin did? Jesus wasn't one of them so they rejected him and demanded all Jews (who want to remain a Jew) to do so likewise. ← the leaven of the Pharisees which deceives Jewish people to this very hour. 2 Peter 1:20-21 / 1 Thessalonians 5:21 / 1 John 4:1 Acts 17:11 / 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Proverbs 25:2 / Deuteronomy 29:29 / Isaiah 28:9-13 These are the keys to the kingdom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,466 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,378 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, nobleseed said: very well said and enlightened. u certainly have the truth in your heart. but how do we correct the errors that have polluted scripture and how do u teach the obstinate. maybe it is up to God to correct and not men like us Consider. The original texts were not corrupted. Some languages are much more precise and meaningful than others [cf. Hebrew & Greek to English]. Language evolves, understandings change and word meanings change [cf. Websters 1828 Dictionary vs. Oxford American Dictionary], not to mention legal words vs. the generally accepted word meanings of the very same word. Consider. We have a Jewish Messiah born a Jew, the promises of God made to the Jew's, God's eternal capitol will be in Jerusalem, the word of God penned by Jew's through the inspiration of God Himself, and the word of God entrusted and preserved by the Hebrew's and Jew's. In my opinion, God's chosen peoples understanding of scripture, word meanings and translations; far exceed that of gentile Hebrew scholar expert translations. The Septuagint, or the seventy, I consider to be exceptionally accurate from the copies of copies they had to work with. Consider. I may be wrong but, I know of only four translations of the Bible [Septuagint - Geneva - Latin - King James] that are not copyrighted and precede modern Bibles of today. If I'm not mistaken, to receive a copyright, ones work has to be a minimum of 15% different in content and wording? If that's a fact; 15% + 15% + 15% + 15%... equals??? Prior to the 19th century if memory serves, there were only a few translations of the Bible. During the 19th century, dozens of translations of the Bible were made, and now I believe it's well over 100 translations; which one(s) are more accurate and reliable?? I have my own preference and leave that up to individual choice and debate. For anyone interested, a very short and accurate booklet on Bible Versions can be found free of charge, at the Stewarton Bible School website. If anyone wants their web address, just ask. Just my... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, nobleseed said: it has become obvious to me that the christian church as a whole has not had many good teachers, that they are like little children that have not been taught properly. people on this forum are even saying the bible does not have to make sense, that it is all taken on faith. if we believe in nonsense then there is no truth and if what we confess makes no sense then why would non believers listen to us. God is a wise God and he wrote a wise book of truth and knowledge. as it says the senseless man will never understand. so stop u silly interpretations and understand properly with a sobre mind that is fruitful Once again, we are debating logic and the scriptures: Logic runs into an assumption any way you take it, when dealing with the real issues of life. We can set up logic problems for an academic excersize for beginning logic students that do not rely on assumption. But as soon as you abandon the classroom and enter the real world, logic leads to faith. Faith in your assumptions. I see in the other posts you have done here that you have a strong belief in your logic. Most of us that post on such topics do. But we come to very different conclusions on some issues. What unites us here is our assumption that we hold that God is real, that the author of the Bible is God and that Jesus is God in human form who died for the sins of the world, including abominations as you are referring to in your other posts. A simple logic excersize is to use one of the many online tools available and look up abomination in one of the older translations. Here is some simple logic: premise: Abomination has this definition in modern english: 1. something greatly disliked or abhorred. 2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation. 3. a vile or shameful action, condition, or habit. premise: Abomination logically requires a object to operate against as it is a noun form of a verb. Meaning that something or someone must feel the emotions that are descrirbed by the noun. example to ensure clarity: To a cat, carrots are an abomination. To me, carrots are not an abomination 1st Subordinate conclusion - Intermediary premise: Abomination logically requires identification of the being experiencing the emotion premise: individual human opinion of state of abomination for a particular object is not consistent with other humans premise: individual human opinion of state of abomination for a particular object is not consistent with God example for clarity: some humans: "I love gossip" God (as stated in the bible): "I hate gossip" 2nd Subordinate conclusion - Intermediary premise: Bible must be source for definition of what is an abomination premise: many human actions are an abomination in God's opinion proof by using subset of human actions Proverbs 6: 16There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Other proofs from the Bible can be found by a simple word search on abomination and it's synonyms premise: I feel that my logic is superior, making me guilty of Haughty eyes premise: I post this rubric makeing me guilty of sowing discord premise: Abominations are sin premise: Sin separates people from God premise: Hell is separation from God premise: (this premise is left out as a puzzle) CONCLUSION: I am not going to hell for posting this What is the missing premise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 A hardened heart can dull a person's ability to perceive and understand. Sin causes hearts to grow hard, especially continual and unrepentant sins. No matter how many times we post the true word of God they will deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,466 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,378 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Tampered With said: From my personal experience the "average Christian" does not really Study the Bible for him or herself on any really in depth basis, does not own a Concordance, and attends Church service to be spoon fed from the Bible to made to feel better about their lives. If given a basic quiz about the fundamentals of Christianity what percentage do you think those that identify as Christians could pass it? If asked, how many people that identify themselves as Christians have ever read the Bible cover to cover? How many know Jesus Hebrew name is Yeshua? How many "Christians" only go to Church on Easter Sunday? How many Christians are Christians in name only with almost no roots to their foundations? I could go own and own but you get my meaning. It is often quoted that there are over one billion Christians in the world. My question is how many will stand for Christ when tribulation comes or oppression like the Syrian church is going through today? It is all in the Bible. I think you have a valid point. Last poll I remember seeing, about 80% of the American population identified their religion as Christian. I'm not judging, but compared to some of the reasons you mention, and the fact America is in the shape it is in today, I would have to at least wonder about that. Matthew 7:14 (KJV) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Based on what Jesus said in the verse above and elsewhere in scripture and His parables; I pray and wish for a revival, but I just don't see anywhere close to 80% of Americans being born again. And if the rapture would happen today, what percentage would be left behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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