Debp Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,020 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,309 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,365 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2019 We often read here about strivings about the law and good works. But we rarely read of the following qualities. These qualities are things of the Spirit, wrought in our inward parts with the help of the Holy Spirit. Just doing good works or following the law can sometimes make people into Pharisees with hardened hearts. Instead, along with our good works which are wrought in us with the help of the Spirit, let's yield to the Holy Spirit in allowing the following to become a part of us... 12So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; 13bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. 14Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Colossians 3:12-14 34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2019 I wish the striving limited itself to just the law and good works. Unfortunately, whenever pride is the true strength behind an argument, it encompasses every aspect of life. Allow me to add one more verse to your collection above. Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) @Debp I’ve been wondering recently whether the works James talked about, if they were not in fact, the fruit that was spoken about in Galatians. Seeing how they both are for the benefit of others..... Anyways just my pondering..... Be blessed Debp as we keep our eyes Heavenwards, Not me Edited October 16, 2019 by Not me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,939 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,866 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Debp said: We often read here about strivings about the law and good works. But we rarely read of the following qualities. These qualities are things of the Spirit, wrought in our inward parts with the help of the Holy Spirit. Just doing good works or following the law can sometimes make people into Pharisees with hardened hearts. Instead, along with our good works which are wrought in us with the help of the Spirit, let's yield to the Holy Spirit in allowing the following to become a part of us... 12So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; 13bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. 14Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Colossians 3:12-14 34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 Good verses to bring, Debp. Here's one I constantly refer to when commenting on "the law". Heb 6:1-3 (1) Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, (2) of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. (3) And this we will do if God permits. I'm no expert when it comes to the laws of Judaism, Debp, but I do recognise Scriptures that contain the perspective that Christians should have towards it. The observance of the law for salvation became a dead work because it denied the truth that Christ fulfilled the law, and that the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in us who conduct ourselves according to the Spirit, yes, thereby producing fruit of the Spirit. Anything else is of the flesh, and those who insist on legalisitic observances have only fed on the milk of the word and not the meat. Rom 8:3-6 (3) For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, (4) that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (5) For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (6) For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPassingThru Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,979 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 2,112 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 To paraphrase what Michael37 said... The last thing Jesus said as He hung on the Cross is,"It is finished!" ...that means He had fulfilled the Law, ...so then if Jesus is living inside of me: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Col 1:27 What must He be thinking about me, ...striving and obeying to keep the Law He has accomplished 2,000 years ago? Just saying..., Lord bless 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Not me said: @Debp I’ve been wondering recently whether the works James talked about, if they were not in fact, the fruit that was spoken about in Galatians. Seeing how they both are for the benefit of others..... Anyways just my pondering..... Be blessed Debp as we keep our eyes Heavenwards, Not me Good thing to ponder. Keep in mind that Fruit is what grows on the Tree. Not through the will of the Tree, but as a result of its nature. But I think you are on the right track. What are the works of the Law of Liberty? What is the Law of Liberty? 2 Trees. 2 Laws. Is there a connection? I fear that we are heading back into the law issues that Debp was encouraging us to take a break from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Michael37 said: Heb 6:1-3 (1) Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, (2) of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. (3) And this we will do if God permits. Excellent passage to quote in this context! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,188 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 3,350 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, lftc said: Good thing to ponder. Keep in mind that Fruit is what grows on the Tree. Not through the will of the Tree, but as a result of its nature. But I think you are on the right track. What are the works of the Law of Liberty? What is the Law of Liberty? 2 Trees. 2 Laws. Is there a connection? I fear that we are heading back into the law issues that Debp was encouraging us to take a break from. Thanks but I’m not convinced 100% yet, waiting for the confirmation from above, but I lean that way. So waiting before God I wait. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don’t believe there are two laws or two trees. There is only the law that was made for those that don’t know how to behave themselves, (the lawless). I feel the law; those instructions on what is sin..... is the law of liberty. For seeing how scripture says; he that sins is a slave of sin, so if one walks in perfect lawfulness (i.e. righteousness) that person would not be a slave, would be walking in perfect liberty and freedom. My thinks???? Be blessed in your searching after Him, Not me Edited October 17, 2019 by Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Not me said: Thanks but I’m not convinced 100% yet, waiting for the confirmation from above, but I lean that way. So waiting before God I wait. The only place to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Not me said: My thinks???? I assume this question is directed to God as you are waiting on him. I completely respect that. I just wanted to clarify, in case you are asking that question of other people. It is too easy to misunderstand in typed messages. Jesus Loves us. This makes me have Hope. I hope that you are blessed with it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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