GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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Just now, Michael37 said:

No, I would have mercy on them in the hope they would repent and come into redeeming fellowship with Christ and His body of believers.

This is the Spirit of the Lord.

Praise His name!

[BibleGuy]

56 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

Great, you are a righteous man. The Law was not made for you.

Question, since obviously it is NOT for you, why you keeping it(partially)?

 

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,...

 

 

Do you feel akin to the rest?...

 

....but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

¹⁰ For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

 

"Great, you are a righteous man. The Law was not made for you."

You IGNORED the context again.

The PROHIBITIVE laws are not made for me (i.e., do NOT kill, do NOT lie, etc.) because I am a righteous person who is already obeying Torah which requires good behavior (thus requires no killing or lying, etc.).

That doesn't prove that ALL TORAH IS ABOLISHED!

It merely proves that RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE OBEY ALL TORAH!  Just as Paul elsewhere confirms (2Ti.3:16;Dt.30:14 + Rom.10:8).  Jesus agrees (Mt.5:20).  The LAW agrees (Dt.6:25).  The PROPHETS agree (Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3).

So OBEY ALL TORAH!

 

"since obviously it is NOT for you, why you keeping it(partially)?"

Not obvious at all.  You simply IGNORED the PROHIBITIVE-TORAH-LAW context of Paul's statement again.  Go back and read the previous paragraph here in this post.

I am growing in faithful obedience to ALL presently observable Torah.....

The reason we can not obey 100% of all Torah is because we are still in diaspora....

So, we do what we can.....knowing we WILL again obey 100% of all Torah in the future (Dt.30:1-8).

 

"Do you feel akin to the rest?..."

I already told you....the DO NOT KILL law applies to the behavior of those who KILL.

The DO NOT KILL law does NOT apply to my behavior, because I am ALREADY OBEYING TORAH which requires that I do good things (including NOT KILLING!)

Does this prove that DO NOT KILL is no longer in force?  Of course not!

It merely proves that RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY OBEYING all Torah! (Dt. 6:25;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3).

 

It's simple:

OBEY OR DISOBEY.

If you disobey, then REALLY bad things can happen (Mt.5:19)

or worse (Mt.5:20)

or worse (Mt.7:21-23)

or worse (Mt.13:41-42)

 

SO OBEY!

blessings...

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

58 minutes ago, KJVOnly said:

²³ But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

²⁴ Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

²⁵ But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

 

Let's face it...some folks love their schoolmaster, are in full time school for life and never graduate.

They meet weekly for their LAW reunions.

Of COURSE the schoolmaster function of Torah no longer applies to us in Christ, because we in Christ have ALREADY come to Christ!

Is the SCHOOLMASTER function the ONLY function of Torah?

Of course NOT!

Torah is HOLY (Rom.7:12).  BE HOLY (1Pe.1:16) means OBEY TORAH.

Torah is good (Rom.7:12).  DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) means OBEY TORAH.

Torah is righteous (Rom.7:12). DO RIGHTEOUSNESS (1Jn.2:29;3:7;Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:2) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20).  So OBEY!

Torah is SPIRITUAL (Rom.7:14).  SEEK the spiritual (1Cor.14:1) thus means OBEY TORAH.  So OBEY!

Torah brings joy (Ps.119:162) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).  So obey!

Torah is obeyed out of LOVE (Dt.6:5,25;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).  So obey!

Torah brings peace (Ps.119:165) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).  So OBEY!

Torah is GOODNESS (Rom.7:12) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).  So OBEY!

Torah is of FAITH (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138) which is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22-23).  So obey!

Torah defines sin (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4).  STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus means OBEY TORAH.  So OBEY!

Torah is foundational to the New Covenant (Jer.31:33) inaugurated in Christ's very blood (Lk.22:20) for you.  So obey!

 

or DISOBEY and face these scary risks:  Mt.5:19

or worse (Mt.5:20)

or worse (Mt.7:21-23)

or worse (Mt.13:41-42)

 

Yikes!

Time to obey!

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

² This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

 

Amazing...Paul called the Law teachers, "witches".

Amazing....Jesus is a LAW-TEACHER (Mt.5:19).

Jesus' APOSTLES include LAW-TEACHERS (Gr. " γραμματεύς ", Mt. 23:34).

Jesus applies ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20) for the New Covenant is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

Gal. 3:1 requires we obey the TRUTH.  TORAH is truth (Ps.119:142).  So obey Torah!

Gal. 3:1 upholds CHRIST who applies ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19) to ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20) for the New Covenant is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

Gal. 3:2 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (citing Is.59:20-21 at Rom.11:26-27).

Gal. 3:2 upholds the SPIRIT who opposes the flesh (Rom.8:13).  The FLESH opposes the Torah (Rom.8:7).  So the SPIRIT opposes TORAH-disobedience.  So the Spirit leads us to OBEY Torah.  So obey Torah in the Spirit!

Gal. 3:2 OPPOSES faithless works of the law...but requires HEARING OF FAITH.  So have FAITH! (Gal.3:11 citing " אֱמוּנָה "in Hab.2:4). 

And what is this way of " אֱמוּנָה " Paul requires in Galatians?  Answer:  TORAH! (see " אֱמוּנָה " in Ps. 119:30,86,138 for proof).

 

"Amazing...Paul called the Law teachers, "witches"."

Sure, if they teach law WITHOUT FAITH (Gal.5:4-5).

That's why Paul requires LAW (Rom.2:13) AND FAITH (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER, for justification.

NOT law alone (Gal.5:4-5)

NOT faith alone (says James 2:24).

But BOTH.

TOGETHER.

 

So obey!

Don't get bewitched by crazy people who require law without faith.

Rather, OBEY (2Ti.3:16) and have FAITH (Gal.3:11).

Walk by FAITH (2Cor.5:7) AND walk in works (Eph.2:10).

BOTH.

TOGETHER.

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

2 Laws in one testament.

Yikes!!!

That's right!

LAW #1 DISOBEY AND DIE (Dt.30:15-19)

LAW #2  OBEY AND LIVE (Dt.30:15-19)

 

 

And ALL TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

Good thing we (in Christ) are not under LAW #1 (Rom.8:2)....but are under LAW #2 (2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:19 + Mt.28:19-20;1Cor.7:19;1Jn.2:3;5:3).

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

³ Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

 

Ouch

 

⁶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

Ooof

 

 

⁷ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

⁸ How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

⁹ For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

¹⁰ For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

¹¹ For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

 

Gut shot

 

¹³ And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

¹⁴ But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

 

Face plant

 

 

" Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."

Ouch indeed!

This upholds CHRIST who requires ALL TORAH (Mt.5:19).

This upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7).

This upholds Torah-obedience from the HEART (thus Paul applies Dt. 30:14 to you in Rom.10:8....that's TORAH-OBEDIENCE from the HEART!)

 

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

Ah yes....the NEW COVENANT which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

Not of the letter without the spirit....for that would kill.

Rather, of the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7), thus walking in LIFE (Jn.6:63 + Mt. 5:19;Mt.4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH).

Oh by the way, this is written by Paul who requires ALL TORAH (2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19).

 

"How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?"

The Spirit IS glorious!  The SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Heb.8:13 + Heb.8:7).

 

"much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory."

Ah yes..... RIGHTEOUSNESS!

We who are righteous obey TORAH (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;Mt.5:20;2Ti.3:16).

After all, righteousness is some thing we DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else we are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20).

 

" For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Yes, the glory on Moses face did fade away....along with the Old Covenant (Heb.8:13).

The SAME TORAH, however, passes into the NEW Covenant (Heb.8:10 citing Jer.31:33).

NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8).

SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

"And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished"

Yes, the glory on Moses face did fade away....along with the Old Covenant (Heb.8:13).

The SAME TORAH, however, passes into the NEW Covenant (Heb.8:10 citing Jer.31:33).

NEW Covenant (Jer.31:31;Heb.8:8).

SAME Torah (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

"But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."

Sad....many Israelites rejected the Messiah who requires Torah (Mt.5:19)....because many of those Israelites upheld their own bogus traditions instead of TORAH (Mk.7;Mt.23).

And many Christians, today, oppose the very TORAH (Mt.5:19) which their Messiah applies to them (via Mt.28:19-20).

Sigh......

It's tough to break-free from 1800-year-old anti-Torah traditions....

 

But let's be brave!

Let's actually return to truly authentic Torah-obedient faith, as required by the Messiah (Mt.5:19) and the Apostles (Mt.23:34).

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

What about the other 34 books of the O.T.?

Not the Law?

Who says? 

Not sure if you're serious or just trolling.....

 

But TORAH is foundational.

Torah sanctions the prophets, thus including Psalms.

Torah authorizes the Messiah who upholds the entire Tanach.

The Messiah authorizes the Apostles who wrote much of the New Testament.

ALL the NT is inspired, given our good reason to trust the Spirit's guidance, and given the widespread uniformity of the NT canon across the major branches of Christianity over the past 2000 years.

 

Torah requires Torah.

Torah requires the Prophets who requires Torah.

The Messiah requires the Tanach which requires Torah.

The Apostles require the Tanach which requires Torah.

The entire NT requires Torah.

 

Torah is foundational in the New Covenant....Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16....being inaugurated by Christ's very blood (Lk.22:20).

 

blessings...

 

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

Fascinating. Do you follow the other 34 books of the Law too, or only 5ish? 

You should obey ALL Scripture (2Ti.3:16).

 

[KJVOnly]

2 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

You should obey ALL Scripture (2Ti.3:16).

 

Are the other 34 books also the Law?

[KJVOnly]

4 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

Not sure if you're serious or just trolling.....

 

But TORAH is foundational.

Torah sanctions the prophets, thus including Psalms.

Torah authorizes the Messiah who upholds the entire Tanach.

The Messiah authorizes the Apostles who wrote much of the New Testament.

ALL the NT is inspired, given our good reason to trust the Spirit's guidance, and given the widespread uniformity of the NT canon across the major branches of Christianity over the past 2000 years.

 

Torah requires Torah.

Torah requires the Prophets who requires Torah.

The Messiah requires the Tanach which requires Torah.

The Apostles require the Tanach which requires Torah.

The entire NT requires Torah.

 

Torah is foundational in the New Covenant....Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16....being inaugurated by Christ's very blood (Lk.22:20).

 

blessings...

 

 

Are you saying the other 34 books of the O.T. are not understood as the Law per Jesus and Paul...only the "Torah"?