BeauJangles Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted January 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, JohnD said: They were wicked... but there were female angels... Well, kind of in a way. Does Zechariah 5:9 show angels could be female? | Bible.org https://bible.org/question/does-zechariah-59-show-angels-could-be-female Does Zechariah 5:9 show angels could be female? While angels generally appear as men in Scripture, Zechariah 5:9 may suggest this is not always the case. The two women mentioned in this passage are not specifically called angels, but they are clearly agents of God or, as some believe, forces of Satan, like angels, good or evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 Paul spoke in 1 Timothy 2:13-15 about ideal circumstances. When men were stepping up to fulfill their calling to ministry. When men do not step up or cower in fear or prefer to lead worldly lives, God sends women. Paul would not have muzzled the women who reported Jesus is risen from the tomb... would he? None of the men / disciples went anywhere near that tomb for fear. The women went to properly treat the body of the Lord which had been hastily placed in the tomb three days earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, JohnD said: The woman was deceived (convinced the fruit was not what God warned it was). Adam was defrauded, listening to the voice of his wife (Genesis 3:17) in which she omitted the fact that the fruit she was sharing with him was the forbidden fruit. Adam ate the forbidden fruit (wittingly or not) and fell. He had responsibility over creation (not just Eve) when this happened... which is why there are times when the fall of man doesn't even mention Eve. Reason being, Jesus (the lone Creator) took responsibility for the fallen creation on the cross. A person can't blame his sin on someone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,207 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 12, 2020 If people think that `silence` for women means never talking in a meeting then - Women can`t pray out loud, testify, sing, praise, prophecy, read God`s word out loud, etc. And that is utter nonsense, ignorant and even demonic, for it is trying to stop part of the Body of Christ from functioning. This wisdom is not from above but self seeking, (for those who want control) and demonic. `But if you have envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.` (James 3: 14 - 16) The meaning is to refrain from meddlesomeness as has been noted. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: Well, kind of in a way. Does Zechariah 5:9 show angels could be female? | Bible.org https://bible.org/question/does-zechariah-59-show-angels-could-be-female Does Zechariah 5:9 show angels could be female? While angels generally appear as men in Scripture, Zechariah 5:9 may suggest this is not always the case. The two women mentioned in this passage are not specifically called angels, but they are clearly agents of God or, as some believe, forces of Satan, like angels, good or evil. Angels itself is a misnomer that has been around since the Old Testament. Cherbs, Seraphs, Teraphs... some looked like men (and apparently women) others like animals (or at least with the faces of animals and birds) some had two wings, others had six wings. ANGEL simply means "messenger." Ths is how people who are sent can be referred to as angels. This is how The ANGEL OF THE LORD was Jesus preincarnate or at times the Holy Spirit. The Father sent Jesus, and both Jesus and the Father sent the Holy Spirit (John 14:26 / John 15:26). Lucifer before he fell was a guardian cherub that covereth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: If people think that `silence` for women means never talking in a meeting then - Women can`t pray out loud, testify, sing, praise, prophecy, read God`s word out loud, etc. And that is utter nonsense, ignorant and even demonic, for it is trying to stop part of the Body of Christ from functioning. This wisdom is not from above but self seeking, (for those who want control) and demonic. `But if you have envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.` (James 3: 14 - 16) The meaning is to refrain from meddlesomeness as has been noted. Marilyn. Again, the admonition was "according to Law." In the old synagogues they separated men and women (even married couples) half on one side... Didn't you guys ever see Fiddler on the Roof??? This was Old Covenant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: A person can't blame his sin on someone else. Didn't say anyone did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Margo1945 said: yes, the woman was deceived but what is Adam's excuse when he took a bite of the fruit, too .. did Eve deceive him or did he just choose to disobey God's command to them both .. Adam could have refused to take a bite of the forbidden fruit but did not, so was his sin as bad as or even worse than Eve's? Adam could not have eaten the forbidden fruit deliberately without being deceived about it. The deception was that the fruit wasn't what God said it was. Adam ate in ignorance. Ignorance (according to Leviticus) is no excuse. Eve apparently panicked as any of us would have in her predicament... and she gave Adam the fruit and he ate it. It's just that simple. He listened to the voice of his wife who probably said something like, "Here, try this new fruit I found..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, JohnD said: Didn't say anyone did. Adam and Eve were both guilty of sin, not just Eve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 12, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said: Adam and Eve were both guilty of sin, not just Eve. And if you actually read what I said you saw that Adam's ignorance was not an excuse. He sinned. He fell. He died before the day was out (2 Peter 3:8 a day according to the Lord's time scale that is). AND I said Adam was held responsible for both sins. Time to chill a moment, breathe, read what is written before firing in an answer or what you think an answer is... Be blessed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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