WHAT DOES IT MEAN

[Guest Zayit]

You only accept the Torah? So the New Testament is nothing to you?

The old laws hold no effect on us today Zayit. Sin is going against God's Will for His people, not going against the old law which has no power over us.

We know this, christians are called not to get drunk, to avoid it. This is God's Will for His elect and chosen. Noah was elect and chosen (though under a different opperative), so getting drunk was not right for him either.

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What kind of theology have you been taught? Show me were sin is defined as "going against G-ds will for us"?

Is Murder no longer a sin?

Coventing?

Desrespecting your parents?( I already know how you feel about your elders)

lying

Stealing?

Holding anything or anyone above G-d?

These have no effect today? So we can just tresspass this law of G-ds?

I think this is plain and simple, from the writings of the beloved apostle John from the New Covenant:

3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.  If the laws are dead, 'Old' done away with, why this admonition?

What Law is being spoken of here?

2:12

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 

2:13

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Doers of a done away law? If that law is done away with then what Noach did, ( and not the drinking part) is OK to do today, so you agree with that?

[apothanein kerdos]

You only accept the Torah? So the New Testament is nothing to you?

The old laws hold no effect on us today Zayit. Sin is going against God's Will for His people, not going against the old law which has no power over us.

We know this, christians are called not to get drunk, to avoid it. This is God's Will for His elect and chosen. Noah was elect and chosen (though under a different opperative), so getting drunk was not right for him either.

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What kind of theology have you been taught? Show me were sin is defined as "going against G-ds will for us"?

Is Murder no longer a sin?

Coventing?

Desrespecting your parents?( I already know how you feel about your elders)

lying

Stealing?

Holding anything or anyone above G-d?

These have no effect today? So we can just tresspass this law of G-ds?

I think this is plain and simple, from the writings of the beloved apostle John from the New Covenant:

3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.  If the laws are dead, 'Old' done away with, why this admonition?

What Law is being spoken of here?

2:12

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 

2:13

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

Doers of a done away law? If that law is done away with then what Noach did, ( and not the drinking part) is OK to do today, so you agree with that?

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I have been taught Biblical theology, not just the Torah.

You describe the 10 Commandments, all of which (excpet for one, the Sabbath) are repeated in the New Testament. I am talking about the Old Law that we are no longer under. You bring up two VERY out of context verses and even misquote them.

1 John 3:4:

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and a sin is lawlessness.

This is not refering to the Old Law, as we have been freed from it's burden, but to the law of Christ.

As for Romans 2:13, Paul is talking of the moral law, not the actual Mosaic law. Unless you actually believe we are to still eat Kosher and not shave the sides of our beards.

Sin, by its definition in Greek and Hebrew means to miss God's Will.

[RGR]

Zayit,

This is a Christian forum. We do not believe in being drunk being sinless. If you wish to keep promoting such an abominable, blasphemous idea, go somewhere else to do it! You appeal to the Torah as the final authority when in reality, Christ nailed the law to the cross.

Your attitude is nothing new, though. The early church dealt with the same thing:

Acts 15:5 NASB But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

What you're trying to push has been proven wrong by the Scripture, so I think it time you quit pushing your works-based salvation.

[Kabowd]

That is ridiculous!

In no part of the Bible does it give account of that!!!

Yomo

Show me where, and I'll   accept it!

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Getting drunk = sin

Noah was drunk = he sinned

I don't know why it's important for some people to try so hard to justify what Noah did. Except the fact that it shatters their philosphy of works-based salvation to have to admit Noah wasn't perfect.

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I in no way jus tified this Tess and it is low to imply I did. I said his sin was not in being drunk, it was what he did in that state. He was a sinner but not because of being drunk, do I have to spell it out??? And I do not believe in a works base Salvation, never have k, never will. so stop trying to make others believe this of me,k?

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Why do you have to be so rude to me? I never even addressed you did I? For a person who stresses obedience and strict adherence to the Law, you sure seem to have a problem with showing grace and love to your neighbor.

[apothanein kerdos]

Zayit,

This is a Christian forum.  We do not believe in being drunk being sinless.  If you wish to keep promoting such an abominable, blasphemous idea, go somewhere else to do it!  You appeal to the Torah as the final authority when in reality, Christ nailed the law to the cross. 

Your attitude is nothing new, though.  The early church dealt with the same thing:

Acts 15:5 NASB But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."

What you're trying to push has been proven wrong by the Scripture, so I think it time you quit pushing your works-based salvation.

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AMEN!

[ann2]

I dont see how 2 very simple verses in the Bible can turn into such a mess with hurt feeling.Appears to me that it is happening so very much now on Worthy and it breaks my heart that christians will fall into this trap so easily.Tess you are a knowledgeable young lady so let it rool off your back,little sister.

[Guest jessiebuddy]

Good Morning my sisters and brothers,

It's early morning here in my office in fact it's 7:10 AM. I arrive 6:45 AM and still no tea or coffee not until 8:00 AM

In behalf of everyone I apologize for the intense argument we did but I have learned from you guys.

Time to pack up and move on. Thank you and God bless everyone young and old.

Hello to my friend David. Hope you are well today.

Jessie