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I do so appreciate the encouragement and the hope that you are putting forth...I do so hope it is the time of the latter rain that we read about in scripture and you are speaking of....That would be more awesome than words could say....

I would like the freedom to put forth a thought that might be of value.. 

There are many, many Christians that are living up to the standard to which they have obtained. They are doing the best they know to walk in all the light they see, with a heart that desires and aches for more....The encouragement to those that are not walking in all the light they see is understandable....But to lump all together like there are none that are walking in all the light they see with a heart that hungers for increase (I think) is detrimental to your heart and the encouragement you wish and would like to put forth...I do not think this is something your doing consciously but your writings can be read that way.... (Forgive, if I’m seeing something that is not there.) 

Also please forgive the forwardness, for I do so bear witness with your relationship with Christ and would never want to put a stumbling block in your path...

May we seek His face so His face we might find..

All my best in Christ, Not me 

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42 minutes ago, Not me said:

@Gideon

I do so appreciate the encouragement and the hope that you are putting forth...I do so hope it is the time of the latter rain that we read about in scripture and you are speaking of....That would be more awesome than words could say....

I would like the freedom to put forth a thought that might be of value.. 

There are many, many Christians that are living up to the standard to which they have obtained. They are doing the best they know to walk in all the light they see, with a heart that desires and aches for more....The encouragement to those that are not walking in all the light they see is understandable....But to lump all together like there are none that are walking in all the light they see with a heart that hungers for increase (I think) is detrimental to your heart and the encouragement you wish and would like to put forth...I do not think this is something your doing consciously but your writings can be read that way.... (Forgive, if I’m seeing something that is not there.) 

Also please forgive the forwardness, for I do so bear witness with you relationship with Christ and would never want to put a stumbling block in your path...

May we seek His face so His face we might find..

All my best in Christ, Not me 

Thank you so much for your words of wisdom, and as always spoken with grace and kindness. You are quite correct and forgive me if my words came across in a way they were not intended.

I have said many times in the past, if someone is walking in all the light they have, and despite their best efforts, still find themselves bound by sins they may hate, wanting to love the Lord with ALL their hearts but knowing they come up short, to them I offer nothing but encouragement. The Lord sees their heart and will give them the desire of their heart. I believe their awakening will be a gentle one, as their God rewards them for their faithfulness as they are walking in all they have been shown and pressing for more.

Yes, there are others who most definitely are His, but who have allowed sin and self to gain the upper hand, with no desire for full victory where they walk pleasing to God in all they say and do.  God's love for them is just as great, but the steps needed for a real awakening may be more likened to a recruit on his first morning of boot camp, LOL. 

Again, to any I might have discouraged or offended, my aim is simply that we all walk in the fullness God has for us. Again, please forgive me. 

Gideon

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1 minute ago, Gideon said:

Thank you so much for your words of wisdom, and as always spiken with grace and kindness. You are quite correct and forgive me if my words came across in a way they were not intended.

I have said many times in the past, if someone is walking in all the light they have, and despite their best efforts, still find themselves bound by sins they may hate, wanting to love the Lord with ALL their hearts but knowing they come up short, to them I offer nothing but encouragement. The Lord sees their heart and will give them the desire of their heart. I believe their awakening will be a gentle one, as their God rewards rhem for their faitfulness. 

Yes, there are others who most definitely are His, but who have allowed sin and self to gain the upper hand, with no desire for full victory where they walk pleasing to God in all they say and do.  God's love for rhem is just as great, but the steps needed for a real awakening may be more likened to a recruit on his forst morning of boot camp, LOL. 

Again, to any I might have discouraged or offended, my aim is simply that we all walk in the fullness God has for us. Again, please forgive me. 

Gideon

Your graciousness is on display for all to see.. 

Be blessed as you, me, we all grow into the full man in Christ Jesus God has set His heart upon..

A brother in the faith, Not me  

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You are such an encouragement in your spirit as well as your sharings themselves. I pray people are drawn to give closer ear to what is being shared because of that. It is Christ in you.

blessings, 

Gids

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17 hours ago, Gideon said:

despite our using grace as an excuse for continuing in sin

 

I am a Firm Believer in “ SUPER Hyper-Grace”...... Regulars at Worthy all know that.Call me “ paranoid”, but methinks you could be referring to me and my ilk.Your accusation is quite serious . I don’t use Grace as an “excuse” for sin.....Nobody that I am remotely aware of subscribes to this Canard.Please provide some proof of what you claim or reveal to an on-looking World That it is just your opinion.My opinion is that you are a well- meaning, Saved Believer whose Faith is just not strong enough to completely REST in the Gospel Of Nothing But The Blood and Jesus Plus Nothing to not only Save us but TRANSFORM us into the image Of His Son.We can “ change the outside of the cup” , But only God, via The Holy Spirit , can TRANSFORM the “ Inside Of the Cup.

I am “ all-in” when it comes to Obedience. I know of two types.I knew how to “ Act” Obedient when I was a young tike— when Mom and Dad were watching.That Beats being DISobedient, Of course.....even though it is forced.I think God desires an “ Obedience” that comes from the Heart......an Obedience That stems from Love— NOT from the fear of “ God’s Gonna Get Me” if I don’t behave.Fear Based obedience is better than nothing, but it is not what God is looking for. God wants us to Rest in His Gospel Of Grace— He knows that knowing you are totally Forgiven by one’s Faith in the Gospel spurs Love- NOT LICENTIOUSNESS !!!! THAT is what you can’t see.Rest spurs Love....Love spurs Obedience.....from the HEART. Please stop attacking those like me that have matured in their Faith and actually Obey God when He Commands us to REST in the Gospel . I did it. I am on the other side of it.You ain’t.If you are going to insist on criticizing what you can’t understand...provide some actual proof that I — or anybody else that believes in Grace alone Saves— promotes a life of “ using Grace as a License To Sin”. Newbies deserve to see this false accusation as it truly is.....an opinion based on ignorance and untruths.......  Brace yourself-What follows is Biblical Truth- your real argument is with what the Bible says— it ain’t with me

Some weak in the Faith might prefer that the following verse did not exist in their Bibles .Alas, it does . “ Where sin abounds, Grace abounds that much more....” I would NEVER even  CONSIDER trying to abuse that verse. Only a complete Fool would. A Believer can be a Fool at times.You think God would not  Chastise the  Daylights out of  Somebody That would abuse the Grace That  His Son Paid such a dreadful price to obtain? My fellow “ Hyper- Grace” aren’t the Heretics you think we are....neither are we Fools.The only thing  we are guilty of is our Obedience to the Gospel Of Grace.Obedience—- isn’t that what you WANT? Resting in the Gospel is the Ultimate Act Of Obedience .......One would think you would approve....May God bless us all in the understanding of these matters....

 

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On 3/17/2020 at 12:16 PM, Gideon said:

We have up till now not walked as children of light, but simply as children with less darkness than the lost around us. 

Gideon, brother, you need to please speak for yourself, and not for everybody!

edit/addendum; quote
"Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be,
since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be"  :)

If you have the book "Tortured for Christ", re read it.
If not, get it. There's a lot going on you might not know about,
concerning God's (underground) church, and those here who do let their light so shine,
but behind the scenes, humbly, and not just behind the pulpit.


 

 

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1 hour ago, Sower said:

Gideon, brother, you need to please speak for yourself, and not for everybody!

edit/addendum; quote
"Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be,
since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be"  :)

If you have the book "Tortured for Christ", re read it.
If not, get it. There's a lot going on you might not know about,
concerning God's (underground) church, and those here who do let their light so shine,
but behind the scenes, humbly, and not just behind the pulpit.


 

 

Jesus said that if we abide in Him we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. That is our measuring stick. Either it is possible to do so, and to say no to the devil every time we are tempted... OR....  such a walk is impossible and thus abiding in Him is simply a carrot on a stick, where we never get to eat. 

Each one of us have to answer the question?  Are we walking there, not by our strenuous efforts, but by experiencing God do what God promised  to do, cause us to obey Him.

We are told to count it all joy when we fall into diverse temptations. If, when we are tempted, we fall, counting it all joy  would be impossible... or really messed up thinking, lol. 

I stand by my overall assessment of the current church, especially here in the west. .There are a few blessed saints that have come to the point they wre kept by the power of God through faith. Praise God for these rare gems. But overall, whether we want to  admit it or not, most view holiness as an impossibility, and obedience in ALL things actually unscriptural, even though God has promised this exact thing. 

I realize it offends many to hear these words. But we are approaching the end of all things, and there will be but one place of  safety to be found, with our old natures reckoned dead and with our shields of faith held high that we ARE new creatures, with our sights set firmly on Jesus, and only on Jesus. 

What we have become as the church is sadly, for most, is a place where we say we have need of nothing, while self and sin still exercise authority over us. The world sees our shwllowness and hypocrisy. We do not.... yet. Those days are coming to a close. Thoughts and intents of our hearts are going to have to be examined to see if we are hungering and thirsting for righteousness or if we are simply content with forgiveness. 

God is coming back for a church on fire for Him, as we walk as overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. And we will be shaken until we are satisfied with nothing less.  He loves us that much. 

blessings, 

Gids

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12 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

I am a Firm Believer in “ SUPER Hyper-Grace”...... Regulars at Worthy all know that.Call me “ paranoid”, but methinks you could be referring to me and my ilk.Your accusation is quite serious . I don’t use Grace as an “excuse” for sin.....Nobody that I am remotely aware of subscribes to this Canard.Please provide some proof of what you claim or reveal to an on-looking World That it is just your opinion.My opinion is that you are a well- meaning, Saved Believer whose Faith is just not strong enough to completely REST in the Gospel Of Nothing But The Blood and Jesus Plus Nothing to not only Save us but TRANSFORM us into the image Of His Son.We can “ change the outside of the cup” , But only God, via The Holy Spirit , can TRANSFORM the “ Inside Of the Cup.

I am “ all-in” when it comes to Obedience. I know of two types.I knew how to “ Act” Obedient when I was a young tike— when Mom and Dad were watching.That Beats being DISobedient, Of course.....even though it is forced.I think God desires an “ Obedience” that comes from the Heart......an Obedience That stems from Love— NOT from the fear of “ God’s Gonna Get Me” if I don’t behave.Fear Based obedience is better than nothing, but it is not what God is looking for. God wants us to Rest in His Gospel Of Grace— He knows that knowing you are totally Forgiven by one’s Faith in the Gospel spurs Love- NOT LICENTIOUSNESS !!!! THAT is what you can’t see.Rest spurs Love....Love spurs Obedience.....from the HEART. Please stop attacking those like me that have matured in their Faith and actually Obey God when He Commands us to REST in the Gospel . I did it. I am on the other side of it.You ain’t.If you are going to insist on criticizing what you can’t understand...provide some actual proof that I — or anybody else that believes in Grace alone Saves— promotes a life of “ using Grace as a License To Sin”. Newbies deserve to see this false accusation as it truly is.....an opinion based on ignorance and untruths.......  Brace yourself-What follows is Biblical Truth- your real argument is with what the Bible says— it ain’t with me

Some weak in the Faith might prefer that the following verse did not exist in their Bibles .Alas, it does . “ Where sin abounds, Grace abounds that much more....” I would NEVER even  CONSIDER trying to abuse that verse. Only a complete Fool would. A Believer can be a Fool at times.You think God would not  Chastise the  Daylights out of  Somebody That would abuse the Grace That  His Son Paid such a dreadful price to obtain? My fellow “ Hyper- Grace” aren’t the Heretics you think we are....neither are we Fools.The only thing  we are guilty of is our Obedience to the Gospel Of Grace.Obedience—- isn’t that what you WANT? Resting in the Gospel is the Ultimate Act Of Obedience .......One would think you would approve....May God bless us all in the understanding of these matters....

 

Brother,  I agree to call you paranoid. LOL. I did not have you in mind when I posted as I did, not in the least. 

You must realize, I have been sharing what God asked me to share for the past 13 years. I have sown a lot of seed, but up until now,  I have faced far more criticism than agreement. Look, I get it. It is understandable. First, what I am sharing about putting off the old man and putting on the new by an act of radical faith is not exactly heard from pulpits on Sunday mornings, lol.  Anything new is treated with suspicion, and I guess that is actually a good thing.... to a point. 

Secondly. to accept what I am sharing, one has to come to the point they admit that what we assume is normal Christianity is simply not working. Sexual sins, worldliness, self love, lack of obedience, tons of condemnation when there is not supposed to be any,  contentment without godliness, a belief that holiness is impossible so let's just celebrate grace and not be sin conscious.... all these have left us drawing near the Lord with our lips but our hearts? They are firmly rooted in THIS world,  despite the Word telling us that to be earthly-minded is death. We say  'peace, peace', when in truth, away from the emotional Sunday worship service, we have no peace. Prayer closets are empty as our eyes watch things the world offers for entertainment that should make us blush... but we don't. 

Divorce rates among Christians exactly match those of non-believers. Porn is an issue for 40% of our clergy who will admit it. No one ever looks at Christians and says 'Behold how they love one another!' Like EVER. And we have been fed a feel good 'God understands how weak we are' gospel, where correction and rebuke and instruction in holy living are looked at as legalistic or judging.

On the contrary, holiness is looked at as unattainable, even though God clearly promises to cause us to obey Him. We cling to the cross for never- ending forgiveness and grace but never consider that real Biblical grace is supposed to teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly, righteously and justly. 

The world looks on us as hypocrites, blind to our shallowness. You know what? In this, the children of the devil are wiser than the children of light. Why? We have assumed we are just fine and cannot  see what should be staring us in the face.

I fully realize these statements are difficult to process. I get it. But unless we push through our wounded pride and admit we are far, far from walking in the joy of our salvation, with our shields of faith enabling us to say no to the enemy when He comes tempting or accusing, we will remain religious but not righteous, and bring dishonor to the name of the one we say we love. 

But a new day is dawning. Our identity as believers is about to be revamped and in these last days, the church will  again see themselves as new  creatures and not just sinful worms. We will finally believe that our God not only forgives, but can and WILL cleanse us and deliver is from the power of darkness. We will finally come to understand that when we combine the blood of the lamb with our personal testimony that it is no longer we that live, but Christ who lives in us, we find we CAN overcome the enemy. God will again reveal Himself as the miracle working of the book of Acts, and praise God, the heathen WILL know that Jesus is Lord. Why? How? Because they shall see Him sanctified IN US before their very eyes. We are not there yet, but trust me, that day IS coming.  

God is not returning for a splintered, confused, lukewarm, half hearted bride, clutching her ticket to Heaven but with no desire to live like it. We can get mad, we can deny, deny, deny, but in the end, each one of us are going to have to be brought to the point we hate our old natures that have tried to serve both God and ourselves. We cannot do both. CANNOT. 

I know posts like this can come across in a very negative way, but as God is my witness, my words are driven by love and concern alone. I can only share as God has directed me. Each reader must decide for themselves whether they fit this description, or whether they would rather go pluck the nearest chicken and get the tar a'boiling. LOL. We are in the valley of decision. No more half way. All or nothing. Him or us. Pretty simple.

I would be neglect however if I did not assure all who are hungry for victory and an obedient heart that.... well,,, God said it this way.

"The eyes of the Lord search to and fro across the whole earth, seeking those on whose behalf He can show Himself strong."

Amazing days are ahead. We cannot yet even imagine what we as His people are about to experience when we finally fully surrender and simply begin to believe His amazing promises. Glory!

blessings,

Gideon

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6 hours ago, Gideon said:

Brother,  I agree to call you paranoid. LOL. I did not have you in mind when I posted as I did, not in the least. 

You must realize, I have been sharing what God asked me to share for the past 13 years. I have sown a lot of seed, but up until now,  I have faced far more criticism than agreement. Look, I get it. It is understandable. First, what I am sharing about putting off the old man and putting on the new by an act of radical faith is not exactly heard from pulpits on Sunday mornings, lol.  Anything new is treated with suspicion, and I guess that is actually a good thing.... to a point. 

Secondly. to accept what I am sharing, one has to come to the point they admit that what we assume is normal Christianity is simply not working. Sexual sins, worldliness, self love, lack of obedience, tons of condemnation when there is not supposed to be any,  contentment without godliness, a belief that holiness is impossible so let's just celebrate grace and not be sin conscious.... all these have left us drawing near the Lord with our lips but our hearts? They are firmly rooted in THIS world,  despite the Word telling us that to be earthly-minded is death. We say  'peace, peace', when in truth, away from the emotional Sunday worship service, we have no peace. Prayer closets are empty as our eyes watch things the world offers for entertainment that should make us blush... but we don't. 

Divorce rates among Christians exactly match those of non-believers. Porn is an issue for 40% of our clergy who will admit it. No one ever looks at Christians and says 'Behold how they love one another!' Like EVER. And we have been fed a feel good 'God understands how weak we are' gospel, where correction and rebuke and instruction in holy living are looked at as legalistic or judging.

On the contrary, holiness is looked at as unattainable, even though God clearly promises to cause us to obey Him. We cling to the cross for never- ending forgiveness and grace but never consider that real Biblical grace is supposed to teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live soberly, righteously and justly. 

The world looks on us as hypocrites, blind to our shallowness. You know what? In this, the children of the devil are wiser than the children of light. Why? We have assumed we are just fine and cannot  see what should be staring us in the face.

I fully realize these statements are difficult to process. I get it. But unless we push through our wounded pride and admit we are far, far from walking in the joy of our salvation, with our shields of faith enabling us to say no to the enemy when He comes tempting or accusing, we will remain religious but not righteous, and bring dishonor to the name of the one we say we love. 

But a new day is dawning. Our identity as believers is about to be revamped and in these last days, the church will  again see themselves as new  creatures and not just sinful worms. We will finally believe that our God not only forgives, but can and WILL cleanse us and deliver is from the power of darkness. We will finally come to understand that when we combine the blood of the lamb with our personal testimony that it is no longer we that live, but Christ who lives in us, we find we CAN overcome the enemy. God will again reveal Himself as the miracle working of the book of Acts, and praise God, the heathen WILL know that Jesus is Lord. Why? How? Because they shall see Him sanctified IN US before their very eyes. We are not there yet, but trust me, that day IS coming.  

God is not returning for a splintered, confused, lukewarm, half hearted bride, clutching her ticket to Heaven but with no desire to live like it. We can get mad, we can deny, deny, deny, but in the end, each one of us are going to have to be brought to the point we hate our old natures that have tried to serve both God and ourselves. We cannot do both. CANNOT. 

I know posts like this can come across in a very negative way, but as God is my witness, my words are driven by love and concern alone. I can only share as God has directed me. Each reader must decide for themselves whether they fit this description, or whether they would rather go pluck the nearest chicken and get the tar a'boiling. LOL. We are in the valley of decision. No more half way. All or nothing. Him or us. Pretty simple.

I would be neglect however if I did not assure all who are hungry for victory and an obedient heart that.... well,,, God said it this way.

"The eyes of the Lord search to and fro across the whole earth, seeking those on whose behalf He can show Himself strong."

Amazing days are ahead. We cannot yet even imagine what we as His people are about to experience when we finally fully surrender and simply begin to believe His amazing promises. Glory!

blessings,

Gideon

 

We both have explained our positions ....that’s all we can do.....hopefully those that read these posts will benefit from them both, separating the wheat from the chaff. Of course, your posts contain waaaaay more chaff than mine, and I will defend to the bitter end , your right to be wrong.........lol......just joking....thank you for taking the time to respond.......God Bless....  

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