Sower Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,252 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,860 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 7 hours ago, vic66 said: So Vic, would you, with a weapon of some kind, defend someone from harm, possibly death, if it was within your power to do so. Or Not. Yes or no ? I know what scripture says. What do you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic66 Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 200 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Sower said: Yes or no ? I know what scripture says. What do you say? I don't own a Gun, it easier to shoot a man dead than it is to trust God by faith for most people. this comes easy for our fallen, carnal nature. (survival, me mysef and I) Christians need the spirit and grace of God for dangerous and difficult situations. To trust A unseen God by faith, intakes great confidence, hope and the Holy Spirit in dwelling Edited March 26, 2020 by vic66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic66 Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 200 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Jostler said: Actually, I think Jesus trusted God....and John. fine the apostles were wise as serpents yet as harmless as a doves Edited March 26, 2020 by vic66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,252 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,860 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Sower said: 16 hours ago, vic66 said: So Vic, would you, with a weapon of some kind, defend someone from harm, possibly death, if it was within your power to do so. Or Not. Yes or no ? I know what scripture says. What do you say? 30 minutes ago, vic66 said: I don't own a Gun, it easier to shoot a man dead than it is to trust God by faith for most people. this comes easy for our fallen, carnal nature. (survival, me mysef and I) So, can I assume the answer to my question, the one you have not answered, is no, you would not defend someone from harm, with any weapon, based upon your response, above? If my assumption is incorrect, my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Years ago I was standing around after our church service talking with some folks and the subject of firearms came up. One of the men, a newlywed, said he'd never own one, not even to defend his wife. She was standing right there, and it seemed she'd misunderstood. "Honey," she laughed (but it was forced). "You mean you'd let some man rape me or kill our kids, and you'd not to anything to defend us?" "Nope," he said. "I figure it would just be God's will, and it wouldn't be my place to stop it." "Now Benny," one of the men said. "Surely you don't mean that." "Every word," Benny said with a nod. His wife took a step back, face white with shock. Then turning without another word, she walked away. Two days later she left him. All that to say that any man, ANY man who thinks that way is either hooked up to hell, or an utter coward. Either way he isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,002 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 4:13 PM, HAZARD said: We know God allows it, but He did not create sin, sickness and disease. God planned to send His Son if Adam and Eve if they chose to believe the devil, which unfortunately they did. The wise plan; before creation [Proverbs 8] was for God to send His Son to, die, and rise from death, that was the plan before Adam and Eve were created, as we can gather from scripture; Proverbs 8:23, Colossians 2:15-17-20, Rev 1:8,11,18, 5:1-5, Job 38:17. We all have free will because that was the plan. God is not reacting to anything, that can't be the case if He is truly God. God is outside of all time, God created time, God created the very concept of wisdom, the concept of life and the concept of death, [Isaiah 45:5-7] there is nothing at all that God did not create, including each and every concept. All is playing out exactly as He planned, in the end death will surely die and only life will remain. He planned on giving Adam and Eve free will and He planned on allowing the devil to figure out how to arrive in the garden, possessing the snake. He knew Adam and Eve would make a wrong choice, He knew the devil would pridefully choose to be evil. He desires for His creation to love Him, freely. He is outside of time and therefore already knows everything that has happened inside of time, but can relate to those inside of time, as if He is in time, because He experienced being subject to time as the Messiah. God planned on conquering death for all of His creation, by taking death head on via the Messiah. Glory Hallelujah! Up from the grave He arose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,558 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 872 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 17 hours ago, vic66 said: I don't own a Gun, it easier to shoot a man dead than it is to trust God by faith for most people. this comes easy for our fallen, carnal nature. (survival, me mysef and I) Christians need the spirit and grace of God for dangerous and difficult situations. To trust A unseen God by faith, intakes great confidence, hope and the Holy Spirit in dwelling Do you think this is a bit wreckless? We could keep going and say because I trust God Im going to leave my door unlocked at night or juggle knives. Idk I see nothing wrong bearing arms..or not. Everything within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/26/2020 at 5:49 PM, vic66 said: Peter had wife and mother in law, Jesus also had a mother but they still preached and trusted God to take care of them after they were gone. If you can show from sciripture where Christ or the apostle justifies Christian revenged or extreme violent force then, please do? Not one person on this thread has said, Christ or the apostle justifies Christian revenged or extreme violent force. We are saying self defence is biblical. Can you show us where Christ or the apostles said or taught, if someone attacks you with intent to kill you, rapes your daughters, and or kills them, and steals all your valuables, just turn your back, stand by and don't interfere in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic66 Posted March 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 200 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) On 3/27/2020 at 2:31 AM, John Robinson said: Years ago I was standing around after our church service talking with some folks and the subject of firearms came up. One of the men, a newlywed, said he'd never own one, not even to defend his wife. She was standing right there, and it seemed she'd misunderstood. "Honey," she laughed (but it was forced). "You mean you'd let some man rape me or kill our kids, and you'd not to anything to defend us?" "Nope," he said. "I figure it would just be God's will, and it wouldn't be my place to stop it." "Now Benny," one of the men said. "Surely you don't mean that." "Every word," Benny said with a nod. His wife took a step back, face white with shock. Then turning without another word, she walked away. Two days later she left him. All that to say that any man, ANY man who thinks that way is either hooked up to hell, or an utter coward. Either way he isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. My answer would be different, we serve an all powerful God . Serveral times they tried to slay or stone Jesus to death and the only time they succeeded is when Christ time to be crucified and offered up had come. Pilate thought he had power over Christ but Christ made him understand he could have no authority at all over him unless he were given to him by his father in heaven. The is why we must live for the Lord because in the time of trouble he HAS promised. I will be with you always even onto the end of the world. Then if God is For you, who can be against you. Jesus said let not your heart be troubled Our obedience, righteous living, hope and Faith is the key to victory. Read Danial, Hebrew, 11 and the things the apostles suffered. Danial was put in the lions den but didn't get eaten Why because Go wanted to use him as a example to the world. To demonstrate,Faith, trust,obedence can work. (2)how God is able to go far beyond mans abilities in deliverance of the saints IF we trust and obey. That doesn't mean all christian won't have trouble because some were put into the lions den and the lion killed them . What it does mean God help is far greater and more sure than your firearms because bad guys or women also carry firearms. HEBREWS 11.They were stoned , they were sawn has under, were tempted were slainn with a sword.They wandered about in sheep skin and goats skins, being desitute afflicted, tormented. Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egpt. Edited March 28, 2020 by vic66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 28, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted March 28, 2020 So you wouldn't defend your wife or children then. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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