The Word of God affirms Science

[The Barbarian]

4 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

What God says and what YOU say He says is not the same.

I showed you what God said.   As you know, His word refers to mornings and evenings before there was a sun to have them.   This is how we know it's symbolic.   The text itself tells us this.

4 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

That science tells us that the Sun was here before the Earth.

Yes, but of course, a literal reading of Genesis has the Earth here first.   This is how we know it's symbolic.

 

[JohnR7]

24 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Yes, but of course, a literal reading of Genesis has the Earth here first.   This is how we know it's symbolic.

The Bible is literal first and then symbolic. Children learn the literal Bible. Then, when they grow up, they learn the symbolic meaning. 

We need to learn science first. That is why so many denominations require a pastor to have a degree in science before they can study theology. Most of the problems come from pastors that only have an associate degree and do not even have a college degree. That is like going to a medical assistant when we need a doctor. 

[Tristen]

On 8/29/2022 at 4:19 AM, JohnR7 said:

You do not know the meaning of the word ALL because you are stuck on the word everything. The Bible covers "everything" and we can take "everything" back to the Bible and know what is and what is not of God. The problem is with the word "it" and the word "thing". So you are limited by the language that you use, and I am personally offended when people call the Living Word of God an "it" or a "thing". Even though we see these words used in our English translation of the Bible itself. So your translation may not be exhaustive, but the original language is. 

“You do not know the meaning of the word ALL because you are stuck on the word everything”

This does not make sense to me.

 

“The Bible covers "everything" and we can take "everything" back to the Bible and know what is and what is not of God”

Here you are Equivocating between “everything”, and “everything” pertaining to “what is and is not of God”. My responses have been to the topic of the OP – where I have been clear to distinguish between the scope of the Bible, and the scope of science.

 

“The problem is with the word "it" and the word "thing". So you are limited by the language that you use, and I am personally offended when people call the Living Word of God an "it" or a "thing". Even though we see these words used in our English translation of the Bible itself.”

This is semantic nonsense, and arguing for argument’s sake.

Firstly, I couldn’t find where I referred to the Bible as “an "it" or a "thing"”.

Secondly, these would be perfectly valid nouns and pronouns according to the rules of English grammar. Therefore, you being “personally offended” by valid grammar is just you choosing to be “offended” by something silly in order to virtue signal.

 

“your translation may not be exhaustive, but the original language is”

Where does the Bible give us details about how the various immune cells develop and act, or how many planets exist in our galaxy, or how our brains work, or the life cycles of ferns and butterflies, or how to make a CPU chip, or how to synthesize antibiotics, or the answer to 435627x76354 …. etc. etc. etc.?

Can the answers to those questions be found in the Bible in its “original language”?

[JohnR7]

You have to understand the Hebrew language and the Hebrew alphabet. I would not allow anyone to enter the first grade if they did not understand the meaning of the letters first. This is why our public education has no meaning. Most people do not even know that the letters are symbols that have a meaning. 

There was a family with 12 kids, and they called their kids: "things" and they numbered them. Thing number one, thing number two.  The court took their kids away from them, and they got worse treatment in foster care. Most normal people give their children a name that is more personal and less impersonal. 

The Universe is like a container and all that is in that container. Cosmos is a system where everything is integrated and works together as one. Even everything in the universe is connected, in real time. That is why we have some degree of communication with people in Heaven, because we have an instant connection no matter how far heaven is from where we are at. 

It reminds me if you have all the parts for a car. Compared to the parts being assembled into a fully functional car that can take you where you want to go. Everything is a bucket full of nuts and bolts. All is a function, fully integrated system that interacts with itself.  

God is the one that confused language at the tower of Babel, and He had a reason why He did that.

Genesis 11: 6And the LORD said, “If they have begun to do this as one people speaking the same language, then nothing they devise will be beyond them. 7Come, let Us go down and confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.” 8So the LORD scattered them from there over the face of all the earth, and they stopped building the city.…

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Tristen said:

Therefore, you being “personally offended” by valid grammar is just you choosing to be “offended” by something silly in order to virtue signal.

Grammar is more offended by me than I am by IT. So turn about is fair play. My brother developed a preschool readiness test for His doctorine for his PhD in Psychology. My dad was a doctor and he used that test that he developed with my brother to determine if a child was ready to enter school. So that is why I think in the terms that I do.  

I do appreciate your ability to see that people are guilty of what they accuse others of. When people understand that they always turn it on me the way you have. Which is good because they teach us in teacher training to verify that people understand what we are trying to show them or teach them. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Tristen said:

Where does the Bible give us details about how the various immune cells develop and act, or how many planets exist in our galaxy, or how our brains work, or the life cycles of ferns and butterflies, or how to make a CPU chip, or how to synthesize antibiotics, or the answer to 435627x76354 …. etc. etc. etc.?

We read about the sun and the moon and the planets in Genesis 1:14 "14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so."

From here you can look at the related verses like Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands."

"In trying to understand the flow of time here, you have to remember that the entire Six Days is described in 31 sentences. The Six Days of Genesis, which have given people so many headaches, are confined to 31 sentences! At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 100,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don’t expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you’ll know every detail that is held within the text. It’s obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out." Gerald Schroeder. 

John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

God is infinite, yet the Bible is infinite also. The words in the Bible have infinite meaning. Moses gives us ALL of the council of God. Jesus tells us all that we need to know. If we do not find this in the Bible, then where does it come from? We can use the Bible to verify ALL of science to know what is and what is not of God. 

Look at the letter B. This letter symbolically represents a tent. More exact, a tabernacle. This is the "tent" that God dwells in, in the wilderness. A tent or a dwelling today could be a high rise apartment. A child understand simplicity and adults are more abstract and can better understand symbols and what they mean. 

[Dirt Eaters]

On 4/15/2020 at 9:12 PM, Tristen said:

Hi BranchesofHim,

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.

The Bible makes perfect sense.

The “scientific” is real, but not “more real” than the Bible. Science (The Scientific Method) is only designed to address a logical subset of reality – i.e. current, natural phenomena. The Bible addresses broader reality; including historical and supernatural aspects of reality.

The Bible doesn't presume to answer every question – only those questions pertaining to revealing God to humanity; along with His plan for human salvation.

 

I know there are many who make out that science is the great enemy of God. But that premise is just falsehood and misplaced blame.

Everything that comes from God is Good, flawless. This includes all the sciences. We err and forget, Satan is the father of lies. 

Satan is obsessed with his jealousy of God and hatred of mankind. What better way to destroy everything of God then to demonize everything that comes from God.

Science proves the existence of God, but it is the devil that corrupts same science as a way to deceive mankind.

[Leonardo Von]

On 9/28/2022 at 8:44 AM, Dirt Eaters said:

I know there are many who make out that science is the great enemy of God. But that premise is just falsehood and misplaced blame.

Everything that comes from God is Good, flawless. This includes all the sciences.

It's important to differentiate the true science from the false science (1Tim 6:20).

[The Barbarian]

12 hours ago, Leonardo Von said:

It's important to differentiate the true science from the false science (1Tim 6:20).

The word meant something very different in the Koine Greek of the time.

 

[Guest]

On 9/29/2022 at 10:08 PM, Leonardo Von said:

It's important to differentiate the true science from the false science (1Tim 6:20).

I guess you determine what is true science and what is not.