PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

[Christ's Free Servant]

Sue,

thanks for you last post but I still have some questions.  Why does Jesus' coming seem to be surrounded by 2 different sets of circumstances?  We are told that there will be peace (people being given and taken in marriage, etc.) and yet also that there will be war at His coming.  Without a pre-trib rapture taken into account, how do you harmonise these opposing descriptions???  Also, your "day and hour" answer was good, but a get a feel that it was missing something.  When Jesus said this, I feel that He probably was not intending that one interpret it in such a literal fashion.  I am compelled to believe that He was just trying to portray the information that His coming was wholly unpredicatable.  Maybe I am wrong here, but the context appears this way to me.  Notice that just after this, Jesus says that we know the "generation" (when Israel "the fig tree" becomes a nation again).  A generation includes weeks and months and your arguement could be used in this instance as well for someone not holding your theory.

I don't mean to get nit-picky or stubborn, just trying to figure this thing out.

God bless.

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Again, would be so kind as to help me out here by giving me the scripture references for your comments above? If I have chapter and verse to look at, then I can give a more intelligent response. Thanks!

[Sirsilius]

Quote: Sirsilius

So according to you- ONLY 24 Church members get Pre-trib raptured! Well sure! There's only 24 thrones and 24 crowns!

Quote: Trinity

Nope

Edited July 22, 2005 by Sirsilius

[Sirsilius]

REGARDING THE 24 ELDERS

In the book of Revelation we learn about the 24 elders. They first appear in Revelation chapter four. Those of the pre-trib persuasion believe that the church was raptured in verse one [Rev.4:1] and that the 24 elders

Edited July 22, 2005 by Sirsilius

[Remnantrob]

[Trinity]

In Matthew 25:31-46 these verses talk about the event called "SEPARATING THE SHEEP FROM THE GOATS." Matthew 25:31 places this event "when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory." This event is better known as the JUDGMENT OF THE NATIONS.

Many Post-Trib believers believe that the rapture is going to be at the Second Coming or the Glorious Appearing, but there seems to be one big problem with this idea, meaning, if the Rapture occurred just before the Glorious Appearing then why would a separation of the sheep and goats be necessary if the rapture took the sheep and the goats were left behind?

In Verse 32 it states that the nations will be gathered before him and the people will be separated. Notice how all the people will be gathered to Christ while at the rapture only the Church will be caught up and meet Christ in the air.

I got most of my Sources from Here I am so sorry i couldn't write this on my own today, time is crazy right now, so i don't have enough time to write it out myself so i used a source ::sigh::

Its not even in detial right now, so ill get back to this subject...

Time goes fast...

In His Name,

Joel

[Sirsilius]

Edited July 23, 2005 by Sirsilius

[Trinity]

You know whats funny, I think My evidence is Good, you things its wishy, you think your evidence is good and i think its wish. Well i am at my final conclussion which is to stop going in circles, pointless circles...

Its been a good debate but i can't go on, i have a Church things to Get ready for and wont be here all week starting tomorrow evning, and so don't have time to go in circles and i doubt you have time to go in circles either

Been fun

[Sirsilius]

You know whats funny, I think My evidence is Good, you things its wishy, you think your evidence is good and i think its wish. Well i am at my final conclussion which is to stop going in circles, pointless circles... 

Its been a good debate but i can't go on, i have a Church things to Get ready for and wont be here all week starting tomorrow evning, and so don't have time to go in circles and i doubt you have time to go in circles either 

Been fun 

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I hear you Brother.

It's all good.

None of this will prevent us from attaining to God's Kingdom- Hopefully I'll get to see all of YOU there.

[Sirsilius]

Sirsilius Quoted:

It's Pre-Wrath! So I guess it makes it Mid-trib. .

You know, I've thought about this before- and I haven't been so sure which is it: Mid or Post???

I know that it's Pre-Wrath, AFTER the tribulation has begun. But I've not been so sure if this Pre-wrath resurrection [rapture] happens at the middle of the tribulation, or at the end, or any other period in between?

I know that the Olivet Prophecy of Matthew 24, indicates that it's AFTER the tribulation; But is it implying AFTER it's [the tribulation] begun- or AFTER it's COMPLETELY done?

Of course after this [the pre-wrath rapture] comes the WRATH of God, to be unleashed on the earth.

If this [God's wrath] is considered to be part of the tribulation- then this puts my pre-wrath view at some point in between [Mid-Trib].

If God's wrath IS NOT considered part of the "Tribulation", then it puts me in the Post-Trib arena.

Soooo, is God's wrath considered- or not considered to be part of the great tribulation? Anyone???

Edited July 23, 2005 by Sirsilius

[Trinity]

Well the Trumps Bowls of God's wrath happen before revalation...

Bowls

Trumps

These all talk place during the trib