THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION IS FOR ISRAEL

[douge]

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

After a lame man was made whole, Peter preached to the crowd. It was Israel that Peter spoke to.

3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the kingdom, plus Jesus's resurrection, and the gift of the Holy Ghost; he is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). He is still preaching faith in the name of Jesus.

3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision. He is preaching faith in the risen Jesus, faith in his name, faith in Jesus being the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. Peter is preaching repentance to the nation, which will result in the coming of Jesus to establish his kingdom on earth; this is the "times of refreshing" and the "restitution of all things". The sacrificial death of Jesus for the new testament redeemed the iniquities of Israel under the old testament (Hebrews 9:15). For Israel their salvation is when Christ comes again, and blots out their sin. In the millennial kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-7), Israel will receive the new covenant, forgiveness of their iniquity, and will reign over the nations with Jesus, to be a light to the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Revelation 5:10 Matthew 5:14 Isaiah 60:3).

3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The gospel of the Circumcision that Peter is preaching is the fulfillment of the covenant God made with the fathers of Israel.

3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

To Israel first was repentance and salvation offered.

[TheBlade]

Your still adding words (Israel) in places that.. are not true. For as Issac was.. we are the children of Promise.

[choir loft]

On 5/10/2020 at 4:16 PM, douge said:

Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision. He is preaching faith in the risen Jesus, faith in his name, faith in Jesus being the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. Peter is preaching repentance to the nation, which will result in the coming of Jesus to establish his kingdom on earth; this is the "times of refreshing" and the "restitution of all things". The sacrificial death of Jesus for the new testament redeemed the iniquities of Israel under the old testament (Hebrews 9:15). For Israel their salvation is when Christ comes again, and blots out their sin. In the millennial kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-7), Israel will receive the new covenant, forgiveness of their iniquity, and will reign over the nations with Jesus, to be a light to the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Revelation 5:10 Matthew 5:14 Isaiah 60:3).



To Israel first was repentance and salvation offered.

Your post reflects the church wide attitude of anti-semitism as well as a thorough misunderstanding of what Hebrews is teaching - or who wrote it in the first place.   Additionally, your writing suggests you haven't devoted as much time to understanding what Hebrews says as you did in picking out pieces of scripture to support a false doctrine.

Let's start with my last assertion first.   You quote Hebrews 9:15 and state Jesus' death redeemed the SINs of Israel from the 1st covenant.  You conveniently left out the first half of the verse which mentions the effect of the new covenant.  Then you proceed to rewrite both scriptural intent and reverse your own words by saying Israel's sin wouldn't be blotted out until the second coming.  SINs aren't blotted out, by the way, but that's another whole discussion.  Which is it douge?  Does the scripture YOU quote from Hebrews 9:15 say Israel's SIN is redeemed now or is it later on in the millennium?  You don't seem to know, which is why your writing leaves the reader confused.

Your other quotes, which you contend apply to the millennial period, are entirely misplaced and out of context to the subject discussed in Hebrews 9 - specifically the LAW (old and new).  They do support a flawed interpretation of the millennium (the supermarket tabloid version, not the one in the Bible).

Finally your statement is reflective of the general systemic attitude of anti-semitism adopted by the Catholic church and accepted by Protestantism.  You aren't alone in this, btw.  It seems few are able to contemplate an exegesis of any Bible scripture without insinuating some improper notion of the place of Israel in the divine plan of redemption.   Proper references to the LAW also seem to be ignored either due to ignorance of it or a further demonstration of hatred of Israel and the Jewish people.  Such an attitude doesn't have to be stated directly.  It can be implied.   A good example is your attempt to interpret Hebrews 9:15.  Your post suggests you didn't even consult a commentary before you wrote your piece.  Its bad scholarship, douge.   We learn from study, not from repeating and reassembling religious slogans.

May I suggest a reexamination of the Hebrews passage?  

Try looking at a complete passage (Hebrews 9:11-28) rather than cutting up God's Word into little bits of confetti to be used to justify an aberrant dogma.  

The section is an in-depth discussion of the LAW both in its first iteration and its newer one as well as Jesus' position as cohen hagadol.  Incidentally, the book of Hebrews was written by a Jew for Jewish believers.  One must devote at least a modicum of time to study what the Old Testament says about the LAW in order to understand what happened when Jesus died on the cross.   We cannot be saved apart from the LAW.

Finally, the offer of repentance and salvation is continually offered to Israel, not just once-upon-a-time.  Those who accept God's grace become Jews in the eyes of God (Romans 2:29).  Anti-semitic Christians teach that church membership is more efficacious for salvation than the blood of Christ.  Such an attitude is indicative of the traditions of the pharisees rather than the freedom of GRACE and the LAW. 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS

Peter didn't write Hebrews.  In fact, most scholars haven't a clue who did.  It's a major point of contention these days.  For instance, many scholars insist Paul wrote Hebrews or that Luke translated some earlier version into Greek.  In other words, nobody knows.  It's obvious when reading the text that a person who was quite knowledgable with Hebrew LAW wrote it - not a goyim (gentile).  You should avoid references to the writer of Hebrews by naming names.  

Edited June 27, 2020 by choir loft

[DeighAnn]

 

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

 

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

 

[douge]

10 hours ago, choir loft said:

You quote Hebrews 9:15 and state Jesus' death redeemed the SINs of Israel from the 1st covenant.  You conveniently left out the first half of the verse which mentions the effect of the new covenant.

The verse says And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament,

The new testament is not the new covenant. The new covenant is future, in the kingdom.

[douge]

10 hours ago, choir loft said:

Then you proceed to rewrite both scriptural intent and reverse your own words by saying Israel's sin wouldn't be blotted out until the second coming.  SINs aren't blotted out, by the way, but that's another whole discussion.  Which is it douge?  Does the scripture YOU quote from Hebrews 9:15 say Israel's SIN is redeemed now or is it later on in the millennium?  You don't seem to know, which is why your writing leaves the reader confused.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The new covenant is future, when Christ comes again. 

Jeremiah 31:34 says partly for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Israel will be forgiven of all iniquity at that time. The new testament sacrifice of Christ provides the means to cleanse and forgive their sins.

As to sins not being blotted out:

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

[Justin Adams]

Jesus said, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you” (Luke 22:20; 

[Heleadethme]

On 5/10/2020 at 4:16 PM, douge said:

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

After a lame man was made whole, Peter preached to the crowd. It was Israel that Peter spoke to.

3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the kingdom, plus Jesus's resurrection, and the gift of the Holy Ghost; he is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). He is still preaching faith in the name of Jesus.

3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision. He is preaching faith in the risen Jesus, faith in his name, faith in Jesus being the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. Peter is preaching repentance to the nation, which will result in the coming of Jesus to establish his kingdom on earth; this is the "times of refreshing" and the "restitution of all things". The sacrificial death of Jesus for the new testament redeemed the iniquities of Israel under the old testament (Hebrews 9:15). For Israel their salvation is when Christ comes again, and blots out their sin. In the millennial kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-7), Israel will receive the new covenant, forgiveness of their iniquity, and will reign over the nations with Jesus, to be a light to the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Revelation 5:10 Matthew 5:14 Isaiah 60:3).

3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The gospel of the Circumcision that Peter is preaching is the fulfillment of the covenant God made with the fathers of Israel.

3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

To Israel first was repentance and salvation offered.

Yes, it's the exact same gospel to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.  Jesus came first to His own, to Israel.  Paul was particularly anointed and sent to the uncircumcision to preach the gospel to the Gentiles, and Peter was particularly anointed to preach this same gospel to the Jews.

Gal 2:7-8

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

Edited June 27, 2020 by Heleadethme

[Heleadethme]

11 hours ago, choir loft said:

It seems few are able to contemplate an exegesis of any Bible scripture without insinuating some improper notion of the place of Israel in the divine plan of redemption.  

This is God's plan regarding the gospel to the Jews and Gentiles and it's a bit of a mystery...seems it really was His plan all along to save the Gentiles through the Jews, and then to save the unbelieving Jews through the believing Gentiles:

Rom 11:28-36

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

 

 

 

[Eddy Crocker]

1 hour ago, douge said:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The new covenant is future, when Christ comes again. 

Jeremiah 31:34 says partly for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Israel will be forgiven of all iniquity at that time. The new testament sacrifice of Christ provides the means to cleanse and forgive their sins.

As to sins not being blotted out:

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:31-34 happened at the day of Penticost for the Apostles and also was fulfilled for the Gentiles 7 years later when they were grafted in by faith through the Gentiles receiving the Holy Spirit. This New covenant is what started the New Testament in The book of Acts when and after Jesus spilled his blood and died and was buried, resurrected and poured out the Holy Spirit. Something had to die and shed its blood to ratify or inaugurate the New Testament to be put into effect. The New Testament or Covenant doesn’t start at Jesus’s birth but it starts at his death or the spilling of his blood. In Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John Jesus is still fulfilling the Old Testament or Old Covenant.
 

What was Jesus fulfilling? He was fulfilling the law in order to satisfy it and bring in the New Covenant or Testament by and through his death on the cross where he said it is finished. What was finished? It was the law was finished and satisfied and was brought to a higher more spiritual level instead of staying on a mere physical level.  The law was no longer written on tables of stone anymore but now is written in the fleshy tables of our hearts and minds by and through the Holy Spirit. 

Just as in the first covenant Gods law that came down from Mt Sinai had to be ratified by the spilling of blood from a sacrifice. The book scripture says had to be sprinkled with blood to be put into effect or for the first covenant or Testament to be valid. Jesus is referred to in scripture as that book of life or scroll that was sealed to the end of time that none could open except the lamb from the tribe of Judah.

Jesus is that book of life that was sprinkled with the blood of his own self to become valid within us as that New Covenant which is Spirit law that is now written on our hearts and minds by and through the Holy Spirit. Jesus is God and he made a way to open up himself and his heart for us to see through this Revelation which means an unveiling of him which is the book that was sealed unto the end. He’s the book that’s being revealed unto us.