Mary Was Just A Woman

[Guest Zayit]

Miriam was blessed, indeed, but where is that given a reason for worship or even revearing?

Should we revere and worship Jacob? He wrestled with G-d!

[ayin jade]

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

The above quote is from the vatican website catechism.

Mary does not bring us salvation. Mary does not give us gifts of salvation. Mary does not hold an office of salvation. Mary is not a mediatrix. Mary is not an advocate or a helper or a benefactress. This is a distortion of Gods gift of salvation for mankind. This is blasphemy. Mary was merely a woman. Mary would be sickened to see all the worship given her that should be given to the Lord. All glory goes to the Lord, not to a mere human.

There are many other things regarding Mary that are in error. I think the above makes my point though.

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

The above quote is from the vatican website catechism.

Mary does not bring us salvation. Mary does not give us gifts of salvation. Mary does not hold an office of salvation. Mary is not a mediatrix. Mary is not an advocate or a helper or a benefactress. This is a distortion of Gods gift of salvation for mankind. This is blasphemy. Mary was merely a woman. Mary would be sickened to see all the worship given her that should be given to the Lord. All glory goes to the Lord, not to a mere human.

There are many other things regarding Mary that are in error. I think the above makes my point though.

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read it in context... does it say she she brings salvation?

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

Edited July 21, 2005 by ChristinaJMJ

[Iryssa]

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

The above quote is from the vatican website catechism.

Mary does not bring us salvation. Mary does not give us gifts of salvation. Mary does not hold an office of salvation. Mary is not a mediatrix. Mary is not an advocate or a helper or a benefactress. This is a distortion of Gods gift of salvation for mankind. This is blasphemy. Mary was merely a woman. Mary would be sickened to see all the worship given her that should be given to the Lord. All glory goes to the Lord, not to a mere human.

There are many other things regarding Mary that are in error. I think the above makes my point though.

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read it in context... does it say she she brings salvation?

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

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I'm glad that you know that Mary has no office in the area of salvation...yet I notice that you failed to address Jade's point that Mary is not a Mediatrix. On this point, I am very curious...

[Assisi]

Grace to you,

her Son listens to her as she has been exalted above all mankind. Her Son sits at the right hand of the Father and she sits at His offering prayers of intercession on our behalf and extending God's grace to us. She, like Ruth, is the one who harvests the fields for God. She is the one who brings the lost to Jesus and Jesus to the lost.

No one comes to the Father lest they come through Jesus. No man can come to Jesus lest the Father draw him.

Joh

[Guest LadyC]

i'll never understand why some people put more effort into defending the RCC teachings than in defending GOD'S WORD. there is no defense for blasphemy. in or out of context, mary is not a mediatrix, is not an advocate or helper, has no power to draw one to Jesus... and she DOES get worshipped. prayers to mary endorsed by the RCC which i have quoted many times include such devotional worship. christians have only to read the morning consecration prayer, or the salve regina, or the regina calai or the memorare prayers to become totally nauseated by the blatant heresy. how can anyone POSSIBLY say mary is not worshipped and prayed directly to, in light of these prayers?

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession, was left unaided. Inspired then with confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother! To you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy, hear and answer me. Amen

MARY DOESN'T ANSWER PRAYERS! good grief, i've never been UNDER her protection, implored her help or sought her intercession, and GOD NEVER LEFT ME UNAIDED. you stand before mary all you want. i'm way ahead of you, i'm standing before CHRIST.

Let us pray: O God, who hast given joy to the whole world

through the Resurrection of They Son, our Lord Jesus Christ;

grant that through the prayers of His Virgin Mother Mary,

we may obtain the joys of everlasting life.

WE DO NOT OBTAIN ETERNAL LIFE THRU MARY'S PRAYERS!

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of mercy!

Hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope!

To Thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.

To Thee do we send up our sighs,

mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.

Turn then, most gracious Advocate

Thine eyes of mercy towards us

and after this, our exile,

show unto us the blessed fruit of Thy womb, Jesus

O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!

Our cries are supposed to go up to JESUS, not to mary, and it is the Holy Spirit who draws us to Jesus, not mary! THIS IS PRAYING TO HER LIKE SHE WERE A DIETY!

and last but not least, the most dispicable example of all, which is CLEARLY worship.... how anyone can be so blinded as to say this isn't worship is beyond me.

My Queen, My Mother, I offer myself entirely to Thee. And to show my devoition to Thee, I offer Thee this day, my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve. Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as Thy property and possession. Amen

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

LadyC, your uncharitable post will not be answered.

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

The above quote is from the vatican website catechism.

Mary does not bring us salvation. Mary does not give us gifts of salvation. Mary does not hold an office of salvation. Mary is not a mediatrix. Mary is not an advocate or a helper or a benefactress. This is a distortion of Gods gift of salvation for mankind. This is blasphemy. Mary was merely a woman. Mary would be sickened to see all the worship given her that should be given to the Lord. All glory goes to the Lord, not to a mere human.

There are many other things regarding Mary that are in error. I think the above makes my point though.

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read it in context... does it say she she brings salvation?

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)510 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."511

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."514

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I'm glad that you know that Mary has no office in the area of salvation...yet I notice that you failed to address Jade's point that Mary is not a Mediatrix. On this point, I am very curious...

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I'll give you an answer about this later tonight

[Iryssa]

I'll give you an answer about this later tonight

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Thanks

[Assisi]

Grace to you,

Just as the moon's light is the reflected light of the sun giving us the sun's light in hours of total darkness, so is Mary the reflected light of her Son.

this is only partially correct. It is the Church who reflects the Son. She is terrible with banners and as fair as the moon. Mary is part of the Church. However she does not constitute his Bride nor co-redemptrix. She is only part of the Body of Christ which does constitute His Bride. Who is not His co-redemptrix either. Rather she is His helper and reflects His Glory by her submission.

Peace,

Dave

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If reflection on the example of a particular Saint causes the kind of self-examination that either brings about a real change of heart or that strengthens and steadies the believer in a time of trial or that persuades the believer to more fervantly live the example of Christ in their life, then I am defining that prayer and reflection in the name and on the name of that Saint to be "efficacious".