When’s it ok fight, and when not to?

[Coliseum]

On 5/11/2020 at 5:39 AM, Ervin P said:

Ok, Mathew 26:59 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

And, Romans 13:4,  "For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Ok, now if you are not working for governments law enforcement for instance, when can you fight/ignore, etc. and when not to?

Also, 

Matthew 5:44 

^44 [a]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and

persecute you,

Verses

And 2 John 1:10: If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.

Also, when can you cut of someone from your life. It’s hard for me to work these things out.

Ok I have just edited to ad: If you are dealing with heavily corrupt authorities, can you fight them, or put the “sword” down? 
Is it ok for police to lie, like undercover, etc?

Thanks

When Pastor Richard Wurmbrand was in Communist prisons, he was faced with being forced to reveal information about other Christians. Would he lie to keep them from being beaten or possibly killed, manipulate the conversation away from revealing the truth, or take their punishment upon himself? He did all three, saying he never once gave away harmful information, and said his conscience was clean in every case. Many times he was tortured as a result. The consequences for his lying were great enough. God imposed nothing more.

When Rehab lied to protect the spies, she was learning that there was the God of Israel that she did not know. God did not reward her for lying, but for choosing Him by faith over all the other pagan gods that she was used to.

God understands our intentions and motives of the heart.

Would I shoot an intruder if there was imminent, life-threatening  danger to my family? Yes, I believe so, because it involves more than me? Would I shoot an intruder to protect only myself? The grace that God gives me in the moment would provide my answer.

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Coliseum

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Ervin P said:

Ok, I’ll try to be more specific without actual details. Is it ok to fight corrupt authorities with other authorities, where if you do win people will get hurt(legally), or do you forgive all and those continue to run a mock with others? I hope this is specific enough.

I find this thread to be pretty important to my self, because how I act can determine(maybe) whether God forgives me, hence:

That presentation seems to be asking for justification of something known to be illegal but planned already.

My own strong recommendation is BACK OFF. Do not ty to find justification for an illegal act to right a wrong. Instead join in prayer for resolution that relies on God and God alone. BUT NOT TRY to be some self envisioned avenger for God. Leave that to God alone.

[ReneeIW]

6 hours ago, Ervin P said:

Ok, I’ll try to be more specific without actual details. Is it ok to fight corrupt authorities with other authorities, where if you do win people will get hurt(legally), or do you forgive all and those continue to run a mock with others? I hope this is specific enough.

I spent two years discussing this very topic. The answer is yes it is, as long as you are not talking about some kind of citizen’s arrest type situation where untrained”authorities” are going after people.

As far as can an undercover cop lie, I don’t consider  their work as lying, but instead taking on a professional role they have been trained for with the righteous goal of stopping crime. That said, I do think you can go too far as an undercover cop, so every situation needs to be carefully considered and prayed about if you are a Christian.

 Also, make sure you have a true understanding of what forgiveness is. I asked a pastor about this subject and here was his response to me. It doesn’t directly address your specific question but there may be some useful advice.:

“I would suggest that forgiveness is a separate issue from the communication of information for the sake of accuracy and the safeguarding of others.

 

The act of forgiving enables  a personal escape from bitterness following another’s wrongdoing. It also releases a penitent wrongdoer from any gratuitous punitive consequences of their actions.

 

However, some consequences are inevitable and some necessary.

 

If, as you suggest, there has been misreporting, that would inevitably need to be corrected. If there are lessons to be learnt to ensure others are safer, that is necessary. 

 

These would not, of themselves,  be vengeful, but a responsible use of a difficult, and as you say, damaging experience, for the benefit of others.“