How many resurrections are there?

[TMarcum]

17 hours ago, Sister said:

Ok I will look carefully

Revelation 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

Revelation 19:19   And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Doesn't make sense what you are saying?

You are reading Revelations in chronicle order.  It doesn't go like that.

What happens inside those chapters however, is in Chronicle order.

In the book of Revelation, John got many SEPARATE VISIONS.  A sneak preview of this event, a sneak preview of another, then back to the first event but with more detail.

We are not spoon fed.  We have to seek to put it all together. ie This part belongs to this event, this other part belongs here, this one's over there. etc.  It's like a jig-saw puzzle and we have to put all the pieces together to get THE CLEAR PICTURE. (I'm not yelling, just making a point).  You have to think like a detective, and solve the puzzle, because the deeper parts of truth are a mystery and requires some labour.  It's not given to us all laid out without any work required on our behalf.

The bible is to be understood like this;

Isaiah 28:10   For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Slow steps.  Building up truth upon truth.  This part has to be understood, before we can understand the next part and so forth.  And if we are on the WRONG FOUNDATION, that very same WORD we read will throw us backwards into confusion;

Isaiah 28:13   But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

 

The word works both ways and can become a STUMBLING BLOCK.  Because Christ will not give the understanding, if we are on THE WRONG FOUNDATION.

The kings in Rev 19:19 are still alive, not killed yet, but about to be.  They are the same kings as in Rev 16:14.  It's speaking about the same event, but in two different chapters.  Put the pieces together.

When the Book of Revelation was written, there were no chapters or verses. The book is not written in any order and the book recapitulates the same story over and over. The story of Rev 20 is the exact same story of Rev 19, told from a different perspective.

The kings of Rev 16:14, that the dragon went to gather, are the exact same kings that were getting ready to be killed in (Rev 19:18). The prophecy clearly shows the angel that was standing in the sun (Rev 19:17), tell the host that was with him to prepare to eat the flesh of the kings.

Now (Rev 20:9) was not 1000 years later that it happened; when the dragon was gathering the nations to battle. The bible plainly said in Rev 16:14 that he was with the beast and FP gathering the nations together to battle the great day of the Lord Almighty. The nations that the dragon was gathering to battle were shown being killed in (Rev 19:18) & in (Rev 20:9).

Revelation 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Edited May 31, 2020 by TMarcum

[TMarcum]

17 hours ago, Sister said:

TMarcum

You are going all over the place again, please slow down or your points get missed, I want to address everything but slowly.

Revelation 13:2   And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 

Revelation 17:8   The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

Yes, the two beasts are the same but THE BEAST is not SATAN himself.  It's his kingdom that he has fashioned.  Satan is the one that is giving power to those 10 kings.  He's right there behind them, making everything go like clockwork.  He's the father of lies don't forget, the master deceiver, showing them how to deceive also.  He's working through them.

 

 

The 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns originally belonged to the dragon (Satan the devil). It clearly shows the dragon with them first in chapter 12:3, nearly 2000 ago before Christ was crucified and caught up to God and to his throne. This was 2000 years ago. Satan is shown there with the woman with these head, horns, crowns in front of the Woman to devour the child before it was born. Well the child was born and was caught up unto God and to his throne (Rev 12:4-5).

Then dragon of Rev 13: rises up out of the earth in the future. Pay attention to this detail. The dragon is later seen with the same 7 heads, 10 horns and 10 crowns (3 more crowns that the dragon had in Rev 12:3). The bible plainly said that the dragon gave the beast the power, seat, and authority. Satan gave the beast his seat. The seat of the dragon was the 7 heads, 10 horns and 7 crowns. But when the 2nd beast ascended out of the earth, with it came up 2 more horns and 2 more crowns. Then this beast raised another image and gave it his power and authotity. This is the 10th crown that we now see the beast have. But he got it from the dragon that ascended out of the bottomless pit in Rev 17:8.

The extra crowns came from the 2nd beast of Rev 13:11. You clearly read in Rev 17:8 the mystery of the 8th that is of the 7th. This was the 7th head that healed was when the 2nd beast arose from the earth with 2 horns. This was the beast going into perdition as it arose out of the pit.

But back to the dragon with the 7 heads, 10 horns and 7 crowns. He was seen with the Woman of Rev 12:1. It was the man that was to rule the world with a rod of iron that threw and cast him in the pit for 1000 years when he rose from the dead and was caught up to God and to his throne in Rev 12:5. The beast went down into the pit with 7 crowns and arose out of the pit 1000 years with 7 crowns. The other 3 crowns was given once the dragon gave the beast his power, his seat, and his authority in Rev 13:2 and gained 3 more crowns when the beast went into perdition. The bible could not be more clear about this in Rev 17:8-14.

Can you not see this? The dragon (Satan the devil) of Rev 20, is the dragon (Satan the devil) of Rev 12:2. It was over 2000 years ago when the dragon was cast in the pit. Not a future event.

Edited May 31, 2020 by TMarcum

[OneLight]

34 minutes ago, TMarcum said:

Now (Rev 20:9) was not 1000 years later that it happened; when the dragon was gathering the nations to battle. The bible plainly said in Rev 16:14 that he was with the beast and FP gathering the nations together to battle the great day of the Lord Almighty. The nations that the dragon was gathering to battle were sown being killed in Rev 19:18 & in (Rev 20:9).

Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 are separated by 1000 years as scripture states.  Why would you say it's not?

• Satan gathers an army
• Jesus returns , destroys this army and binds Satan in the bottomless pit for 1000 years while casting the beast and false prophet in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
• After 1000 years, Satan is released to gather another army
• God destroys this army and casts Satan in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and false prophet are

Revelation 19 and 20 ^^^

[TMarcum]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 are separated by 1000 years as scripture states.  Why would you say it's not?

• Satan gathers an army
• Jesus returns , destroys this army and binds Satan in the bottomless pit for 1000 years while casting the beast and false prophet in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
• After 1000 years, Satan is released to gather another army
• God destroys this army and casts Satan in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and false prophet are

Revelation 19 and 20 ^^^

The 1000 years is a period that began when Christ rose from the dead. The term "a thousand years" is figurative language of Revelation, just like terms; 144K, 24 elders, two witnesses, the woman, the man that will rule the world with a rod of iron, a candlestick, a great chain, the red dragon.

The term "a thousand years" is the period of salvation when the saints reign with Christ. This period began with Christ resurrection and ends when the Lord returns at his 2nd coming. Satan was thrown in the pit when Jesus arose from the tomb. The shedding of his blood and his resurrection defeated the power of Satan. The great chain that binds him is the spirit of the Holy Ghost that was sent by Jesus. There will be no more time after the Lord returns for salvation and definitely not another 1000 years. Today is the day of salvation. In the day you hear his voice, harden not you heart.

You are not given another 1000 years, with Jesus ruling on earth, to get your heart right. This is the period right now that Satan is bound and you have the grace of God to be saved. When you give your life to Jesus, then you hath part in the 1st Resurrection. Jesus is the first resurrection and those that are saved, reign with him when they are save. Even in death, we reign with him. The soul of a righteous man never dies. The beheaded saints that John saw were souls. He only saw their souls were alive with Jesus. Just as the souls that were seen under the alter of Rev 6:11 were should that should rest a little longer.

The army that Satan gathered was commissioned in Rev 16:14 when the 3 spirits (dragon, beast and FP) were sent out into the earth and the Whole World, to gather kings together to "the" battle of "that great day" of God almighty.

There are not 2 great days of battle, only one. They were sent out at one time and not separated by 1000 years. They are all 3 thrown in the LoF; the beast and FP first in one local area of "the battle". And the dragon was thrown in at another local area of "the great battle" of "that great day" of God Almighty. And not 1000 years later

[OneLight]

14 minutes ago, TMarcum said:

The 1000 years is a period that began when Christ rose from the dead. The term "a thousand years" is figurative language of Revelation, just like terms; 144K, 24 elders, two witnesses, the woman, the man that will rule the world with a rod of iron, a candlestick, a great chain, the red dragon.

The term "a thousand years" is the period of salvation when the saints reign with Christ. This period began with Christ resurrection and ends when the Lord returns at his 2nd coming. Satan was thrown in the pit when Jesus arose from the tomb. The shedding of his blood and his resurrection defeated the power of Satan. The great chain that binds him is the spirit of the Holy Ghost that was sent by Jesus. There will be no more time after the Lord returns for salvation and definitely not another 1000 years. Today is the day of salvation. In the day you hear his voice, harden not you heart.

You are not given another 1000 years, with Jesus ruling on earth, to get your heart right. This is the period right now that Satan is bound and you have the grace of God to be saved. When you give your life to Jesus, then you hath part in the 1st Resurrection. Jesus is the first resurrection and those that are saved, reign with him when they are save. Even in death, we reign with him. The soul of a righteous man never dies. The beheaded saints that John saw were souls. He only saw their souls were alive with Jesus. Just as the souls that were seen under the alter of Rev 6:11 were should that should rest a little longer.

The army that Satan gathered was commissioned in Rev 16:14 when the 3 spirits (dragon, beast and FP) were sent out into the earth and the Whole World, to gather kings together to "the" battle of "that great day" of God almighty.

There are not 2 great days of battle, only one. They were sent out at one time and not separated by 1000 years. They are all 3 thrown in the LoF; the beast and FP first in one local area of "the battle". And the dragon was thrown in at another local area of "the great battle" of "that great day" of God Almighty. And not 1000 years later

I respectfully disagree.  Christ has not returned yet for the 1000 years to even begin.  When did Christ return with the armies of heaven to fight against the beast and false prophet?  I suggest you take another close look at scripture for a better understanding.  The 1000 years is not figurative language, but an actual time-frame given to us from Jesus Himself.

I will agree that some of Revelation is symbolic, but not all.

 

[TMarcum]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

I respectfully disagree.  Christ has not returned yet for the 1000 years to even begin.  When did Christ return with the armies of heaven to fight against the beast and false prophet?  I suggest you take another close look at scripture for a better understanding.  The 1000 years is not figurative language, but an actual time-frame given to us from Jesus Himself.

I will agree that some of Revelation is symbolic, but not all.

 

You not only disagree with me, you also disagree with Jesus, Paul, John, and Job.

The 1000 year period began when Christ rose from the tomb almost 2000 years ago.

 

The armies that Christ returned with was at the 2nd coming when the saints were resurrected and those that were alive and remain were changed,  and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This occurred in Rev 19. You can read about the battle in (Rev 19:18-20). This was one large battle that spaned the whole earth. There are many local areas where fighting is occurring. You can read about other local areas of the same battle in (Rev 19:20) & other local areas in (Rev 20:9-10). These were all destroyed on the same day during the same battle.

If you read in (Rev 16:13-14), you can see when all (3) three; the dragon, the beast, and the FP were sent out into the earth and the whole world to gather the kings together for that great battle of the day of the Lord Almighty. The kings were destroyed in Rev 19:18. The beast & FP was destroyed in Rev 19:20 and the dragon was destroyed in Rev 20:10. This battle was not 1000 years long. It was on 1 day, which is "the great day" of "the Lord Almighty"

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Have you read where Paul said the the Lord will return with the gathering of the saint "after" the working of Satan. Whom the Lord will destroy with the brightness of his coming (2 Thess 2:1-11).

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Paul said in the same book that when he when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels taking vengeance on them that know not God, Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, in that day. He did not say days, with 1000 years in between.

2 Thessalonians 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul said "in that day" when he is revealed, is the same day as the wicked is destroyed with everlasting destruction as the same day when he shall come to be glorified in his saints.

 

You can clearly read the order of the resurrection described by Paul in (1 Corinthians 15:20-25).

Christ is the firstfruit of them that slept. The order of the resurrection is Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then comes the end.

When he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Not to reign for another 1000 years and then comes the end. This is not biblical and not what Paul said. He said the end comes when he delivers the kingdom to God and will put down all rule, authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 

Maybe you will believe the words of Jesus in (John 5:28-30), where he said that "all" that are in graves shall come forth "in that hour" when they hear his voice. They both shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

Maybe the words of Job who said no one will awake or be raised out of their sleep until the heavens be no more. (Job 14:12) "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." So this pretty much eliminates the rapture of the church and then another 1000 years, and then the end of time, when the heaven and earth will have fled before the face of the Lord (Rev 20:11).

How about the saints will not be caught up to the Lord, before the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) & (1 Thess 4:15-17). Refer to above when Paul gave the order of the resurrection.

How about where Revelation 20:5, that said the 1st resurrection is not until after the 1000 years is over?

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by TMarcum

[Sister]

TMarcum

I've answered you, and you have answered me.  Lets move on instead of going back around in circles.  I only believe that what we are discussing has not been revealed to you yet.   I don't know if you have read much of the OT before, but I can only refer you to some chapters.  The prophets of old spoke of this time to come of which we are discussing....the thousand years.  I am trying to prove that that the Old and New testaments agree in perfect harmony.

You deny that there is A REST coming.  A thousand years REST, after Christ returns.  You deny that there is a time of healing for Israel, and for the remnants of the nations to be free from wars and from oppression. You see Satan as not being locked up, but being destroyed at the Coming.

How do you explain this prophecy?

 

 Micah 4:1   But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

  Micah 4:2   And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

  Micah 4:3   And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

  Micah 4:4   But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

  Micah 4:5   For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

  Micah 4:6   In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;

  Micah 4:7   And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

  Micah 4:8   And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

When have the nations not lifted up a sword against nations?  When has there never been war ?

Please answer.

Who is this that is going to judge and rebuke the nations?

Please answer.

Who is going to turn their weapons of war into instruments of gardening?

Please answer.

What do they need gardening tools for?

Please answer.

Who is this that was cast far off, that will be made a strong nation?

Please answer.

What is this "first dominion" that shall come?

Please answer.

 

 

[Retrobyter]

On 5/28/2020 at 7:15 AM, TMarcum said:

What scripture reference do you have that supports your belief that there will be a resurrection, and then 1000 years later, a 2nd resurrection?

Shalom, TMarcum.

(Sorry for the delay; I've been on a "working vacation" for a week now.) 

Several. Remember first that chapter divisions are arbitrary. They were MEN'S invention in the 16th century. Even verse divisions are not inspired.

When one reads Revelation chapters 19 through 21, one will begin to see this fact: What is written in green are John's words as narrator. The words in blue are words of men and "angels" (messengers). The words in red are Yeshua`s (Jesus') words. The words in purple are words of God, the Father of the Messiah Yeshua`.

Revelation 19:1-21:5 (KJV)

1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven (in the sky), saying,

"Alleluia (Greek transliteration of Hebrew: HalleluYah meaning "Give praise to Yah"); Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand."

3 And again they said,

"Alleluia."

And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying,

"Amen; Alleluia."

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying,

"Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great."

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying,

"Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready."

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me,

"Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb."

And he saith unto me,

"These are the true sayings of God."

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me,

"See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

11 And I saw heaven (the sky) opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called "Faithful" and "True," and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called "The Word of God." 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,

"Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven (out of the throne) saying,

"Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

5 And he that sat upon the throne said,

"Behold, I make all things new."

And he said unto me,

"Write: for these words are true and faithful."

6 And he said unto me,

"It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 

8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

There is very much a chronological progression in these verses, and they are based upon the incarceration of haSatan, a Hebrew word that means "the-Enemy!" The battle that ensues in chapter 19 is definitely BEFORE haSatan is locked up in 20:1-3. Then, when haSatan is locked up, he is locked up FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. When the thousand years are finished, haSatan is released for a short time, and he attempts to deceive the nations once again. AFTER the thousand years, haSatan is thrown into the Lake of Fire and Sulfur, and that will be the eternal end of haSatan.

All else mentioned in these chapters hinges upon this chronological progression. The FIRST Resurrection is witnessed in 20:4-6 (less 5a which is parenthetical): "I saw the souls (a word that means "air-breathing creatures") of them that WERE beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they LIVED and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

To say that these "lived" when they had been "beheaded" proves that they were resurrected. While their resurrection was at or some time before the thousand years began, it certainly was prior to the beginning of this "thousand years" - this "Millennium." And, we are TOLD that "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished!" The rest of the dead, then, were resurrected AFTER the "thousand years" - the "Millennium." That's pretty clear here. Thus, the "first resurrection" is the one PRIOR to the "thousand years" while the "second resurrection" would be the one called "the rest of the dead lived" which is said to be "not again until the thousand years were finished." It's the one AFTER the "thousand years" from which God determines who would be "cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone (Sulfur)." And, it's the FIRST resurrection where it is said "blessed and holy is he that hath part." 

Don't let the order of Hebrew literature (from which the Greek version was translated) confuse you. The part that says, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished," is referring to the time AFTER the "thousand years." Rev. 20:5b is referring back to verse 4, not 5a.

Another such passage is found in the parallel passage of 1 Corinthians 15:20-28:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 is within the "Resurrection Passage" of Paul's writings. In fact, his theme for even these verses is resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ (the Messiah) risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ (in the Messiah) shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 
24 (2) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. (But when he saith, "all things are put under him," it is manifest [obvious] that HE [God the Father] is excepted, which did put all things under him.)

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

So, we have three resurrections noted: The "firstfruits" (which I think of as the "zeroeth resurection") was the Resurrection of the Messiah Himself in approximately 30 A.D.

The "first resurrection" will occur at the beginning of the "thousand years" that John talked about "when the Messiah returns." Those resurrected are raised to life because they "are Christ's" or "belong to the Messiah" and they come to life "at His coming!"

The "second resurrection" will occur when the Messiah "shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, the Father," AFTER "He has destroyed death." This is parallel to ...

Revelation 20:14-15 (KJV)

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Note that the LAST enemy to be destroyed is "death"; NOT the FIRST! It's not talking about Yeshua` defeating death on the cross or in His own Resurrection; it's talking about His defeat of death after the general Resurrections, at the END of the "thousand years," DURING the Great White Throne Judgment just prior to the Re-Creation of the Earth as the NEW Earth! THAT'S when it is said,

Revelation 21:1-4 (KJV)

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven (out of the throne) saying,

"Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

One more reference:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'An enemy hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
...

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,

"Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them,

"He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man (Greek: ho Huios tou anthroopou); 
38 The field is the world (Greek: ho kosmos);
the good seed (wheat) are the children of the kingdom (Greek: hoi huioi tees basileias);
but the tares are the children of the wicked one (Greek: hoi huioi tou poneerou); 
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil (Greek: ho diabolos = "the slanderer");
the harvest is the end of the world (Greek: sunteleia aioonos = "completion of-age");
and the reapers are the angels (Greek: aggeloi = "messengers"). 

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

This parable's explanation is the key: This parable is NOT about this current time! It's about the KINGDOM from the sky ("heaven"), when Yeshua`, the Messiah of God, has returned, bringing His Kingdom with Him, and reigns for that 1,000-year time period before the "harvest" or the Great White Throne Judgment, the completion of this age!

When asked, Yeshua` gives them the elements of the parable, found in verses 37-39. Simply plug in the true values instead of the parable elements into the parable stated in verses 24-30:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto the Son of man which sowed the children of the Kingdom in his world: 25 But while men slept, his slanderer came and sowed children of the wicked one among the children of the Kingdom, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the children of the wicked one also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow children of the Kingdom in thy world? from whence then hath it children of the wicked one?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'A slanderer hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the children of the wicked one, ye root up also the children of the Kingdom with them. 30 Let both grow together until the completion of the age: and in the time of the completion of the age I will say to the angels (messengers), "Gather ye together first the children of the wicked one, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the children of the Kingdom into my barn."'"

Then, He supplemented the explanation of verses 40-43:

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (the completion of this age). 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels (messengers), and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (the children of the wicked one); 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous (the children of the Kingdom) shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

As we saw in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, there's going to be a TRANSFER of power from the Kingdom of the Son, the Messiah of God and the Son of God, to the Kingdom of the Father, YHWH God Himself! Besides, the literal imprisonment of Satan, the Devil, the subduing of all His enemies comes between the Second Coming of the Messiah Yeshua` and the Great White Throne Judgment, the final judgment of all! That's what the LITERAL Millennium - the "Thousand Years" - the "Chilia Etee" - is all about! It's NOT just some arbitrary "long period of time!" If the Greek language was sufficient and John wrote about the "144,000" of the remnant of the children of Israel, then he CERTAINLY could write more accurately about a period that's been WELL over "1,000" years, even over "2,000" years now! The "Millennium" is NOT about this current time period prior to the Messiah's coming!

Edited June 1, 2020 by Retrobyter
to add a little info

[OneLight]

12 hours ago, TMarcum said:

You not only disagree with me, you also disagree with Jesus, Paul, John, and Job.

The 1000 year period began when Christ rose from the tomb almost 2000 years ago.

I'm not the one who is disagreeing with scripture, my friend.  I'm also not the one that is trying to say 1000 years is just a number thrown out to mean a long time.

12 hours ago, TMarcum said:

 

The armies that Christ returned with was at the 2nd coming when the saints were resurrected and those that were alive and remain were changed,  and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This occurred in Rev 19. You can read about the battle in (Rev 19:18-20). This was one large battle that spaned the whole earth. There are many local areas where fighting is occurring. You can read about other local areas of the same battle in (Rev 19:20) & other local areas in (Rev 20:9-10). These were all destroyed on the same day during the same battle.

If you read in (Rev 16:13-14), you can see when all (3) three; the dragon, the beast, and the FP were sent out into the earth and the whole world to gather the kings together for that great battle of the day of the Lord Almighty. The kings were destroyed in Rev 19:18. The beast & FP was destroyed in Rev 19:20 and the dragon was destroyed in Rev 20:10. This battle was not 1000 years long. It was on 1 day, which is "the great day" of "the Lord Almighty"

Of course it wasn't 1000 years long.  The 1000 years is the reign of Christ on earth after His second coming, which is how long Satan is in the bottomless pit.

Revelation 20:1-3

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.  He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

12 hours ago, TMarcum said:

How about where Revelation 20:5, that said the 1st resurrection is not until after the 1000 years is over?

 

For the sake of screen real estate, I snipped your reply to this last question.

First, let's read discuss what the word first means.  First is not just a number, as in 1, 2, 3, and so forth.  It is also a place of honor, as in "He took first place."  The resurrection of those who were beheaded have a special place in Christ, as we can read.

Revelation 20:4-6

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

As you can see in the above scripture, those who did not take the mark nor worship the beast and his image were beheaded.  Because of their sacrifice, they were resurrected and reigned with Christ for 1000 years. 

 

[seeking the lost]

13 hours ago, TMarcum said:

You not only disagree with me, you also disagree with Jesus, Paul, John, and Job.

The 1000 year period began when Christ rose from the tomb almost 2000 years ago.

 

The armies that Christ returned with was at the 2nd coming when the saints were resurrected and those that were alive and remain were changed,  and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. This occurred in Rev 19. You can read about the battle in (Rev 19:18-20). This was one large battle that spaned the whole earth. There are many local areas where fighting is occurring. You can read about other local areas of the same battle in (Rev 19:20) & other local areas in (Rev 20:9-10). These were all destroyed on the same day during the same battle.

If you read in (Rev 16:13-14), you can see when all (3) three; the dragon, the beast, and the FP were sent out into the earth and the whole world to gather the kings together for that great battle of the day of the Lord Almighty. The kings were destroyed in Rev 19:18. The beast & FP was destroyed in Rev 19:20 and the dragon was destroyed in Rev 20:10. This battle was not 1000 years long. It was on 1 day, which is "the great day" of "the Lord Almighty"

Rev 16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Have you read where Paul said the the Lord will return with the gathering of the saint "after" the working of Satan. Whom the Lord will destroy with the brightness of his coming (2 Thess 2:1-11).

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Paul said in the same book that when he when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels taking vengeance on them that know not God, Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, in that day. He did not say days, with 1000 years in between.

2 Thessalonians 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul said "in that day" when he is revealed, is the same day as the wicked is destroyed with everlasting destruction as the same day when he shall come to be glorified in his saints.

 

You can clearly read the order of the resurrection described by Paul in (1 Corinthians 15:20-25).

Christ is the firstfruit of them that slept. The order of the resurrection is Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then comes the end.

When he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Not to reign for another 1000 years and then comes the end. This is not biblical and not what Paul said. He said the end comes when he delivers the kingdom to God and will put down all rule, authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 

Maybe you will believe the words of Jesus in (John 5:28-30), where he said that "all" that are in graves shall come forth "in that hour" when they hear his voice. They both shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

 

Maybe the words of Job who said no one will awake or be raised out of their sleep until the heavens be no more. (Job 14:12) "So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." So this pretty much eliminates the rapture of the church and then another 1000 years, and then the end of time, when the heaven and earth will have fled before the face of the Lord (Rev 20:11).

How about the saints will not be caught up to the Lord, before the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) & (1 Thess 4:15-17). Refer to above when Paul gave the order of the resurrection.

How about where Revelation 20:5, that said the 1st resurrection is not until after the 1000 years is over?

 

Are you saying the resurrection is past?  Have you considered this verse?

2 Timothy 2:17-19 King James Version (KJV)

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.