Lawlessness Increasing

[The Light]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.  It should be obvious that the destruction of the wicked does not take place here, for the wicked gather at the Battle of Armageddon to fight with God. And there are more wicked as goats at the judgment of the nations.

 

 

Armageddon happens during the trumpets. You are just unable to perceive it.

[Dennis1209]

On 5/31/2020 at 1:51 AM, dhchristian said:

As I watch the news the following verse comes to mind prophetically: Re: the riots

And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. (Matthew 24:12, ESV)

 

And the rest of 2 Timothy 3: is coming along like gang-busters. We see the following prediction in scripture also crying out for attention and manifesting itself. Our current crisis and severe economic and financial woes and condition, rioting and insurrection; city and state governments ignoring the Constitution and rule of law and defying the Federal Government; the Federal Government divided and at 'war' between parties like never before in the history of our nation. Our replacement generation with the entitlement mentality and brainwashed public secular education and universities rapidly replacing government leaders, authorities, social and news media's, etc. 

We're being destroyed within as Khrushchev predicted and plotted, there's no more national unity. This current crises we don't even see the masses temporarily running to churches as they did during 9/11 and other crises, we just witness rebellion. Soon, there will not be enough conservatives left to conserve what was bequeathed and blessed to us by our Lord through our founding fathers. I highly suspect we are in the throngs of; the late Great United States of America. With all that is occurring, there's no doubt in my pea picking mind, the stage is about set for prophetic fulfillment here shortly. What better way of looking at it and describing it than; the world has been blinded and turned over to a reprobate and debased mind?

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Just my view coming through my eye and ear windows...

[RonaldBruno]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Yes, of course it is all what John wrote, but here John specified that what was spoken was spoken by the 24 elders. And when I examine what they said, I find the same events later on in the book, showing that this was prophecy.

"... THERE WILL BE NO MORE DELAY! BUT IN THE DAYS WHEN THE SEVENTH ANGEL IS ABOUT TO SOUND HIS TRUMPET, THE MYSTERY OF GOD WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, JUST AS HE ANNOUNCED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS." THE KINGDOM OF THE WORLD HAS BECOME THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD ...THE NATIONS WERE ANGRY;  YOUR WRATH HAS COME. THE TIME HAS COME FOR JUDGING THE DEAD, AND FOR REWARDING YOUR SERVANTS THE PROPHETS AND YOUR SAINTS AND THOSE WHO REVERENCE YOUR NAME, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT AND FOR DESTROYING THOSE WHO DESTROY THE EARTH. THEN GOD'S TEMPLE IN HEAVEN IS OPENED ..."REV.10:6, 7; 11:15-19

If you don't take this literally, then you will miss it. The seventh trumpet is the rapture, heaven opens, rewards are given at that time, the dead are judged (also confirming the resurrection of the dead), wrath has come as the bowls of wrath are released.

"There will be no more delay" means just that, these things happen at the seventh trumpet sound (uttered by an Angel, probably Michael). The "time has come" means at that moment of the seventh trumpet. You can deny it, misinterpret it, say these elders are making the claim and not God or it's prophecy, bla, bla, bla, but scripture is informing us when the "last trumpet" sounds. This is the 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes. 4:16, 17 moment. Yes we see, wrath and judgment in different vantage points throughout as I claimed. We see the rapture in different areas, we see great earthquake, 4 angels on horses, the 144k, all if different areas. But when scripture says the time has come and there shall be no more delay, it is not speaking of any other time. Of course this is a Mid-Trib view, disproves a pre-trib rapture and post-trib rapture as well. Oh well.

Fare well. God Bless you in your pursuit of the truth.

 

[RonaldBruno]

On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2020 at 1:51 AM, dhchristian said:

As I watch the news the following verse comes to mind prophetically: Re: the riots

And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. (Matthew 24:12, ESV)

 

Sorry if I sort of derailed your topic. However, the Great Tribulation is half about lawlessness and half about Judgment. IMHO, we are in the "beginning of sorrows". Pestilence, famine coming to Africa and mid-East due to plagues of locusts, wars coming to Middle East. We have been given signs in the heavens. We have seen the moral fiber of our country being shredded. In our generation, 50 million babies aborted, drugs addiction spreading since the 70's,  divorce quadrupled, heinous crimes, terrorism, multiculturalism, racism, anti-police, anti-Constitution and more recently Gay Marriage and teaching young kids in schools that they can choose their gender. Sin has permeated our culture and we have become callous to what was pure and good, it's all slipping away. The Bible says in the End Times that good will be viewed as evil and evil as good.

Many, myself included, believe that Globalism is behind this virus, the riots and more to come. Satan, the rider on the white horse has been released to go out and conquer. He has his workers as well. You can bet Soros, the Deep State (the Shadow Government) are involved and the media (unbeknownst to them) is behind it as well.  Who do your think funds the radical Antifa/Anarchist groups? And who does George Soros answer to? The Bilderberg Group, the Rothchilds (estimates of their family worth is $2-$5 trillion), Rockefeller, basically they the ultra rich who meet behind closed doors and dictate to the leaders of the world, their plan for a New World Order/ One World Government.  We don't here there names anymore, they are not in the news because they own the news and they own a high percentage of shares in the Central bank here and in the EU. Are they losing anything after all this? No, cash money is just paper, but property is what they gain. Businesses go down, bankrupt -- the banks get them. Foreclosures, no problem for them -- "We'll take that property, thank you for your decades of service and sorry for your loses!" You work for decades, lose your job, can't pay your bills, they take it all. Businesses that are given loans are now partially owned by them. So we all lost something, savings, 401k's depleted, sick days, vacation time and we went in debt to who - these elite super rich rulers. They can actually collapse the economy, implement the One World Order System and start up everything again, and then _ they own everything and we own nothing! Sounds like socialism, communism ... the last days. Fortunately, it only lasts a few years and Christ prevails.

The WHO purposely lied to us and most likely released the virus in China and spread it everywhere, especially over here. They told us it would kill 1-2 million in the USA and that it had a 2% mortality rate. So we all got scared, stopped non-essential functions and gatherings and got in line, hunkered down , put on the masks and obeyed what the experts told us. They weren't telling the truth from the beginning. The virus now reported by the CDC is more like 0.3 fatality. If we had known that from the beginning, most likely we would not have responded in this extreme way. We would have protected the elderly, who were most at risk and continued to keep everything moving as we have always done through any virus spread. Come on, 99.7% of the population will survive this.

What we are going through now is an exercise, conditioning for what is to come. If we can willingly abide with all this, then receiving a vaccine (that will be made of both humane and animal DNA with a tracker computer chip inside and who knows what else), then receiving a mark will be next. Some think that this very vaccine will be the mark???  I have heard that legislation in being drafted to force all citizens to receive this vaccine, otherwise you won't be able to work, buy or sell. There are theories that Bill Gates is behind much of this technology and btw, was brought up with parents who ran Planned Parenthood, believed that the world is over-populated, and so promoted Eugenics. Bill thinks the world should have about 500 million - that's it. So what happens to the rest of us? There have been theories that this vaccine  actually won't prevent anybody from getting the virus, but will react to the next wave in a deadly way. Imagine getting the vaccine,  trusting that it is a good thing and later it kills you? Of course, your death won't be linked to the vaccine at all, it will be the virus, a new virus, a different strain. ??? I've heard that Ebola, Sars, Covid-19 and many other viruses have patent numbers. That means they were mutated in a lab, altered some way. I was astounded when I heard that.

So what if a tracker is actually inside this that they can scan to see if you have gotten the vaccine, or maybe it will be a patch  that you wear that lasts for awhile and then you periodically get a new one? If this is a diabolical scheme to ultimately lower populations, well they will have a surprise. Jesus will lower the populations and get rid of the reprobate. As many things have backfired on them, so shall this.

Let me bring up military surveillance. The soldiers have trackers on them  so they can see them - but they practice "social distancing" themselves by 5 feet so that the signal doesn't get scrambled and they can distinguish who they are looking at. Surveillance will be part of this future mark. The Antichrist will be able to see who wears the mark and who doesn't and will kill those who don't. Conditioning, that's what this is all about.

Talk about lawlessness! This is all a hard pill to swallow, it sounds crazy ... and so does the End Time Scenario.

*** PS. Let me touch on one other thing. When you put the mask on, do you feel like your air is restricted, like it is more difficult to breathe? So is it possible that you are getting less oxygen and also that the air you are breathing out (CO2) doesn't escape the mask before you take your next breath? Are you getting headaches like you never before got? Well this could lead to hypoxemia and Hypercapnia. A study was done in 2006 in Europe with over 200 doctors and nurses who wore N95 Masks (which are more breathable) for 4 hours a day and the conclusion was that many had headaches, who had to take sick leave, medicine, etc. A lack of oxygen weakens your immune system. Are they setting us up for the next wave? I'm really sorry if I upset you all and I really sound like I am on the fringe. If you think that, just discard everything I said and listen to THEM. 

[dhchristian]

16 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said:

Sorry if I sort of derailed your topic.

not at all a problem, All of it is tied to this topic in a way. If we are at Matthew 24:12, the next thing to occur is the Abomination of desolation, and the Great tribulation by my estimation we are at the doorstep of this. The Trumpets are Plagues of God, meant to lead to repentance, there is a point when repentance is no more found which marks the beginning of the wrath of God we will be raptured out then, which means we as a church will face the mark of the beast, and live and witness the abomination, or be killed as saints as the case may be. 

If You want to know my eschatology you can find it here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/244530-johns-7-visions-and-triangulating-with-other-scriptures/

The final part is on page 9 as I got sidetracked early on from completing it. 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, RonaldBruno said:

"... THERE WILL BE NO MORE DELAY! BUT IN THE DAYS WHEN THE SEVENTH ANGEL IS ABOUT TO SOUND HIS TRUMPET, THE MYSTERY OF GOD WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, JUST AS HE ANNOUNCED TO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS." THE KINGDOM OF THE WORLD HAS BECOME THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD ...THE NATIONS WERE ANGRY;  YOUR WRATH HAS COME. THE TIME HAS COME FOR JUDGING THE DEAD, AND FOR REWARDING YOUR SERVANTS THE PROPHETS AND YOUR SAINTS AND THOSE WHO REVERENCE YOUR NAME, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT AND FOR DESTROYING THOSE WHO DESTROY THE EARTH. THEN GOD'S TEMPLE IN HEAVEN IS OPENED ..."REV.10:6, 7; 11:15-19

If you don't take this literally, then you will miss it. The seventh trumpet is the rapture, heaven opens, rewards are given at that time, the dead are judged (also confirming the resurrection of the dead), wrath has come as the bowls of wrath are released.

"There will be no more delay" means just that, these things happen at the seventh trumpet sound (uttered by an Angel, probably Michael). The "time has come" means at that moment of the seventh trumpet. You can deny it, misinterpret it, say these elders are making the claim and not God or it's prophecy, bla, bla, bla, but scripture is informing us when the "last trumpet" sounds. This is the 1 Cor. 15:52 and 1 Thes. 4:16, 17 moment. Yes we see, wrath and judgment in different vantage points throughout as I claimed. We see the rapture in different areas, we see great earthquake, 4 angels on horses, the 144k, all if different areas. But when scripture says the time has come and there shall be no more delay, it is not speaking of any other time. Of course this is a Mid-Trib view, disproves a pre-trib rapture and post-trib rapture as well. Oh well.

Fare well. God Bless you in your pursuit of the truth.

 

Of course you are right about everything and I am wrong about everything, just as you think. So sorry to disagree.

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Thats quite an  interesting 'story'.???

It is amazing what the Lord will teach when someone takes time to mediate and pray much in the Spirit.

[iamlamad]

18 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

not at all a problem, All of it is tied to this topic in a way. If we are at Matthew 24:12, the next thing to occur is the Abomination of desolation, and the Great tribulation by my estimation we are at the doorstep of this. The Trumpets are Plagues of God, meant to lead to repentance, there is a point when repentance is no more found which marks the beginning of the wrath of God we will be raptured out then, which means we as a church will face the mark of the beast, and live and witness the abomination, or be killed as saints as the case may be. 

If You want to know my eschatology you can find it here:

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/244530-johns-7-visions-and-triangulating-with-other-scriptures/

The final part is on page 9 as I got sidetracked early on from completing it. 

No, the next thing to occur is the rapture of the church. Anyone can "abominate" if they choose to, but God has made a way of escape. Always remember, Paul has it as rapture then wrath, not the other way around.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, RonaldBruno said:

Sorry if I sort of derailed your topic. However, the Great Tribulation is half about lawlessness and half about Judgment. IMHO, we are in the "beginning of sorrows". Pestilence, famine coming to Africa and mid-East due to plagues of locusts, wars coming to Middle East. We have been given signs in the heavens. We have seen the moral fiber of our country being shredded. In our generation, 50 million babies aborted, drugs addiction spreading since the 70's,  divorce quadrupled, heinous crimes, terrorism, multiculturalism, racism, anti-police, anti-Constitution and more recently Gay Marriage and teaching young kids in schools that they can choose their gender. Sin has permeated our culture and we have become callous to what was pure and good, it's all slipping away. The Bible says in the End Times that good will be viewed as evil and evil as good.

You sure said it right here! This is the spiritual state of the world today.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, RonaldBruno said:

Many, myself included, believe that Globalism is behind this virus, the riots and more to come. Satan, the rider on the white horse has been released to go out and conquer.

Some things to consider before you write such a thing again:

1.  Notice this verse as the CONTEXT of the first seal: Rev. 5

⁶ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

When did this happen? WHEN did Jesus ascend and then send the Holy Spirit down? Yesterday? No, it was about 32 AD.  Jesus ascended, and sent the Holy Spirit down. But there is more: a search was made for one worthy but that search ended in failure. Where was Jesus at that time? Why was He not found worthy in that 1st search? God is telling us something here, but people read right over it and miss the intent of the passage. In chapter 4, in a vision seen around 95 AD, a throne room with God the Father on the thone, but Jesus NOT SEEN at His right hand - but a dozen verses would place him there. Why? Why was  Jesus not seen where over a dozen verses tell us He should have been? Then in chapter 4, the HOly Spirit is there when we would expect him to be sent down (as shown in 5:6. WHY? WHY was Jesus not seen, the Holy Spirit still there, and Jesus NOT found? Keep in mind, this is EXACTLY what God wanted John to see and to write. The truth is, God wanted to introduce John to the book, but wanted to start His story while the book was still in the hand of the Father which was before Christ ascended: so in the vision He showed John the throne room JUST BEFORE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD - then up to His death - then after His death when He rose from the dead and  was then found worthy - then as He ascended and sent the Holy Spirit down  - as we read in chapter 5. This is the CONTEXT of the first seal. To make this white horse and rider the Antichrist or Satan is error about 2000 years off from truth.

2. Did you notice that in 6:8 that "power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth."  Is Satan limited to one fourth part of the earth? You know he is not: he is god over this entire planet. 

3. Did you notice WHO this power was given over the 4th of the planet? John wrote "THEM." But WHO is "them? John tells us:
Power was given unto them to kill with the SWORD: the 2nd seal and the red horse and rider was given a great SWORD.
Power was given unto them to kill with HUNGER.: The 3rd seal and black horse and rider was to bring FAMINE which causes HUNGER.
Power was given unto them to kill with DEATH:  The 4th seal and pale horse and rider was title DEATH.

Do you see it? John tied these three together as evil, but left out the white horse and rider.  And these three are limited to 1/4 of the earth in their theater of operation. 

4. John used the color white 17 times in Revelation, and for 16 of these 17, to represent righteousness. I can assure you, God would NEVER just the color white 16 times for righteousness and once for evil. It just would not happen. Therefore we can be assured the white color of the horse is to represent righteousness. Without much doubt, the horse and the bow are to represent warfare of some kind.  So to sum it up, we have a righteous conflict taking place in 32 AD, not with physical arrows, but arrows of the Word  of God.  

5. According to verse 6:8, three horses ride together but the white horse is not with them. It is written that every good gift and ever perfect gift is from our Father God, but the devil comes to kill, steal and destroy. With this in mind, who is behind wars, famines, and pestilences? Of course it would be the devil.  But the white horse is NOT IN Their mix. He rides separately.

6. This rider was given a victor's crown. this crown was given AFTER the fact to see who won. This crown speaks of ULTIMATE victory, not a victory over a few skirmishs and then loses big time.   This crown does not fit the Antichrist who will end up in the lake of fire. 

7. It is written that the Antichrist is given authority over the entire planet, not just 1/4 of the planet. None of the four horsemen fit the Antichrist.

When you put it all together, the ONLY entity that was righteous on earth in 32 AD was the infant church. We KNOW Jesus sent them out to take the gospel to the nations. This first seal is a perfect picture of that.

Satan is the god of this world. Was he going to just step aside and allow the gospel free access to all nations? No, many lives were lost as the Gospel was taken to new nations. It was CONFLICT: it was CONQUERING - it was overcoming. The gates of hell COULD NOT WIN. But martyrs were the result. (the 5th seal.)

So seals 2 through 4 are to represent the devil trying to stop the advance of the gospel - But God limited them to only 1/4 of the earth. Plain and simple.