douggg Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) On 6/26/2020 at 4:37 AM, Diaste said: Read just the highlighted parts: So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ at that time there will be great tribulation, Immediately after the tribulation of those days: At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Anywhere else in all of scripture where the Creator of all things lays out the exact plan and order as clear as this? Does the Pretrib scenario have this kind of order, clarity and as succinct and concise? If the elect are gathered here but it's not the church, why does the church think it's not the selected chosen of the Lord? Is 'one end of the heavens to the other' a metaphor for 'everywhere on the earth'? Two groups gathered in Matthew 24:31 when Jesus returns and here on earth. 1. The remaining Jews scattered around the world - Ezekiel 39:28. 2. The martyred great tribulation saints from heaven to have their bodies resurrected - Revelation 20:4-6 Regarding the rapture issue.... Edited June 29, 2020 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Online Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, douggg said: Two groups gathered in Matthew 24:31 when Jesus returns and here on earth. 1. The remaining Jews scattered around the world - Ezekiel 39:28. 2. The martyred great tribulation saints from heaven to have their bodies resurrected - Revelation 20:4-6 Regarding the rapture issue.... I have a more complete chart but this illustrates what I see. Edited June 29, 2020 by Diaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Diaste said: Diaste, appreciate a chart. You need to show on the chart, the beginning of the Day of the Lord, which the wrath of God starts. The Jews and the world will be saying peace and safety right before then according to what is in 1Thessalonians5. Would the world be saying peace and safety during the Great Tribulation ? Where does them saying peace and safety go on your chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Online Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 10 hours ago, R. Hartono said: If rapture takes place after the sun is darkened by the 4th trumpet there is no need to stay alert, just look at the sky is the sun already dark ? Not yet ? Continue sleeping, God wont come ??????? The 4th trump is partial darkness. Not the same as the 6th seal's total darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Diaste said: The 4th trump is partial darkness. Not the same as the 6th seal's total darkness. If The 6th seal is total darkness why shud the angel tried to darken one fourth of the sun with the 4th trumpet ? ??? Edited June 29, 2020 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Diaste said: The 4th trump is partial darkness. Not the same as the 6th seal's total darkness. The 6th seal imho is volcanic eruption at the ring of fire which close the sun with its smoke n thats why the moon turned red because the moon does not emit light but reflecting the light of the sunshine, exactly like the socalled red bloodmoon phenomenon which often happens. If the sun is alrdy darkened by the sixth seal it will mean running out of its fuel n all life will immediately cease on earth by the ice age ! No need anymore to further punish the world they all die without sunshine immediately in the darkness ! It only looked black but it was not darkened yet. Edited June 29, 2020 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, douggg said: Would the world be saying peace and safety during the Great Tribulation ? Where does them saying peace and safety go on your chart? Thats a brilliant question for the post tribbers. When the 2nd seal is opened n peace removed, peace n safety will be a history for this present world. Thats why the foolish virgins left Will yell "Lord Lord let us in"....its too late, they r on their own. Edited June 29, 2020 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,629 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Online Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 29 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: If The 6th seal is total darkness why shud the angel tried to darken one fourth of the sun with the 4th trumpet ? ??? Isn't it obvious? The 4th trump happens before the 6th seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Diaste said: Isn't it obvious? The 4th trump happens before the 6th seal. As i say there will be no need to stay alert if thats so, just look at the sky has it been darkened ? Not yet ? You can continue sleeping. God wont come until the sun is darkened. Very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, SONshine said: Hey there... Brother, at the 4th trumpet, it is Satan arriving—the antichrist—the False one. Notice that Satan will cause only one-third (big clue). Revelation 8:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Imho antichrist appeared with the 1st seal opening to conquer the world with fake peace so people will say peace n safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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