Unbelief Reasons

[branchesofHim]

If you reason something God said, you simply are in UNBELIEF. 

God told Israel to go and possess the land flowing with milk and honey. But they reasoned it out amongst themselves and sent in spies to check it out first. God didn't tell them to send in spies to check it out first.

A true example of stupidity. Read it, consider it. If it's truth, you are accountable. Shalom.

Deuteronomy 1:[1] These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
[2] (There are eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadesh-barnea.)
[3] And it came to pass in the fortieth year, in the eleventh month, on the first day of the month, that Moses spake unto the children of Israel, according unto all that the LORD had given him in commandment unto them;
[4] After he had slain Sihon the king of the Amorites, which dwelt in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, which dwelt at Astaroth in Edrei:
[5] On this side Jordan, in the land of Moab, began Moses to declare this law, saying,
[6] The LORD our God spake unto us in Horeb, saying, Ye have dwelt long enough in this mount:
[7] Turn you, and take your journey, and go to the mount of the Amorites, and unto all the places nigh thereunto, in the plain, in the hills, and in the vale, and in the south, and by the sea side, to the land of the Canaanites, and unto Lebanon, unto the great river, the river Euphrates.
[8] Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.

Deuteronomy 9:[23] Likewise when the LORD sent you from Kadesh-barnea, saying, Go up and possess the land which I have given you; then ye rebelled against the commandment of the LORD your God, and ye believed him not, nor hearkened to his voice.

1 Corinthians 10:[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
[5] But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[6] Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
[9] Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[10] Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[12] Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[14] Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
[15] I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

 

[Don19]

Yes, but the great difference is the gospel of Jesus Christ - our unbelief won't make the promises of God of none effect (Rom 3:3).

The little ones and the children who had no knowledge of good and evil possessed the land (Deu 1:39). Under the New Testament, believers are the "little ones" (Mat 18:3-6; 1 Jn 2:1), for whom the promises are unconditional (Rom 11:6, Gal 3:18). We have been regenerated, are new creatures in Christ, and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed.

But our fears, doubts, and insecurities can overthrow our full realization of salvation in this life and cause us to be less fruitful. Therefore, we can learn from the example of Israel in the wilderness, even while our inheritance is totally and eternally secure.

[Your closest friendnt]

21 hours ago, Don19 said:

Yes, but the great difference is the gospel of Jesus Christ - our unbelief won't make the promises of God of none effect (Rom 3:3).

The little ones and the children who had no knowledge of good and evil possessed the land (Deu 1:39). Under the New Testament, believers are the "little ones" (Mat 18:3-6; 1 Jn 2:1), for whom the promises are unconditional (Rom 11:6, Gal 3:18). We have been regenerated, are new creatures in Christ, and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed.

But our fears, doubts, and insecurities can overthrow our full realization of salvation in this life and cause us to be less fruitful. Therefore, we can learn from the example of Israel in the wilderness, even while our inheritance is totally and eternally secure.

What does that statement means? 

Please explain it...

"We have been regenerated, are new creatures in Christ, and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed." 

[Don19]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

What does that statement means? 

Please explain it...

"We have been regenerated, are new creatures in Christ, and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed." 

The believer in Christ is eternally secure. Having believed upon Christ, our subsequent struggles with unbelief won't separate us from God or cause us not to receive the promise of eternal life.

[Your closest friendnt]

39 minutes ago, Don19 said:

The believer in Christ is eternally secure. Having believed upon Christ, our subsequent struggles with unbelief won't separate us from God or cause us not to receive the promise of eternal life.

Thank you for those encouraging words...there is something in your statement

"and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed."

Adam's Inheritance after death-phycical-was the descending Inheritance in the place of the death...

Adam from the Garden of Eden upon his disobedience he enter earth and upon his death he descended in the place of the dead...

this is the Inheritance Adam passed to the world...

There was only one Inheritance for mankind the descending one....

with the Cross Jesus Christ inherited Heaven....and the whole world everyone who had died before Jesus Christ was given the choice they did not have when they lived to choose Life or Death....to choose to believe in Jesus "LIFE" which comes with a Heavenly Inheritance the ascending Inheritance to be with GOD FOREVER  MORE or  choose not to believe in Jesus Jesus Christ which comes with DEATH, the descending Inheritance in the place of the DEAD...away from God in the opposite direction forever...

your statement suggests a number of things..

First that those who are not in the faith of Jesus Christ are not in the LIFE and are in DEATH by DEFAULT...

this is incorrect with the Cross of Jesus Christ there is no more DEFAULT DEATH INHERITANCE....

we are in the Death or Life  Inheritance by choice...

by an individual decision...

yes our children as believers are born in the LIFE OF GOD are born to Jesus.Christ..and belong to Jesus Christ...being in the Life all the time....never in death...as long as they continue in the faith of Jesus Christ...

to be in DEATH one must have to refused to believe in the Author of LIFE in JESUS CHRIST...and die in his/her denial. 

[Don19]

7 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you for those encouraging words...there is something in your statement

"and the curse of spiritual death in Adam removed."

Adam's Inheritance after death-phycical-was the descending Inheritance in the place of the death...

Adam from the Garden of Eden upon his disobedience he enter earth and upon his death he descended in the place of the dead...

this is the Inheritance Adam passed to the world...

There was only one Inheritance for mankind the descending one....

with the Cross Jesus Christ inherited Heaven....and the whole world everyone who had died before Jesus Christ was given the choice they did not have when they lived to choose Life or Death....to choose to believe in Jesus "LIFE" which comes with a Heavenly Inheritance the ascending Inheritance to be with GOD FOREVER  MORE or  choose not to believe in Jesus Jesus Christ which comes with DEATH, the descending Inheritance in the place of the DEAD...away from God in the opposite direction forever...

your statement suggests a number of things..

First that those who are not in the faith of Jesus Christ are not in the LIFE and are in DEATH by DEFAULT...

this is incorrect with the Cross of Jesus Christ there is no more DEFAULT DEATH INHERITANCE....

we are in the Death or Life  Inheritance by choice...

by an individual decision...

yes our children as believers are born in the LIFE OF GOD are born to Jesus.Christ..and belong to Jesus Christ...being in the Life all the time....never in death...as long as they continue in the faith of Jesus Christ...

to be in DEATH one must have to refused to believe in the Author of LIFE in JESUS CHRIST...and die in his/her denial. 

 

No, it's not an individual decision; it's God's decision who will be saved (Rom 9:15-16).

There's no such thing, as it were, as probationary salvation for the children of believers, contingent on their continued faith. They are either elect or reprobate from the foundation of the world according to God's will. And if they, or anyone, believes upon Christ to the saving of their soul, then they are eternally secure, with the witness and seal of the Spirit, and with no future conditions that they must fulfill for salvation.

[Justin Adams]

51 minutes ago, Don19 said:

probationary salvation

No, it's not an individual decision; it's God's decision who will be saved (Rom 9:15-16).

It is OUR free choice to be saved or not. If you believe in Yeshua's Gospel, you are saved.

The 'probation stuff' is nonsense dreamed up to keep believers in fear. You are saved by the finished work of the cross. Done deal. No ifs or buts or questions. No additions and no subtractions. Have believing loyalty to Yeshua and you SHALL be saved. God already decided to place all things under Yeshua. None is predetermined to be lost. The Calvin doctrine is in gross error. A fundamental misunderstanding of election is at the heart of bad theology. No one is preordained to be lost. "For God wills that none may be lost".

John 3:36  …35 The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in His hands. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:16 ESV 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

2 Peter 3:9 ESV  

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

John 6:40 ESV 

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Timothy 2:4 ESV 

Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Romans 6:23 ESV / 29

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Edited July 5, 2020 by Justin Adams

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

 

No, it's not an individual decision; it's God's decision who will be saved (Rom 9:15-16).

There's no such thing, as it were, as probationary salvation for the children of believers, contingent on their continued faith. They are either elect or reprobate from the foundation of the world according to God's will. And if they, or anyone, believes upon Christ to the saving of their soul, then they are eternally secure, with the witness and seal of the Spirit, and with no future conditions that they must fulfill for salvation.

This is not a Salvation issue...you sound without love...the love of the Father who sent his son to die for the forgiveness of our sins and to have the eternal life of his Son as a gift when we believe in him and the Heavenly Inheritance to be where Jesus is with the Father...

[Who me]

On 7/3/2020 at 6:08 PM, branchesofHim said:

If you reason something God said, you simply are in UNBELIEF

So the command to worship God with all our spirit, body and mind is not a biblical command.

That Paul and the other apostles proving that Jesus was the Messiah from the O T is a biblical falsehood.

 

Faith is being certain of what we hope for, that means knowing, have reasoned out what it means.

Christianity is based on historical facts.

[Don19]

31 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not a Salvation issue...you sound without love...the love of the Father who sent his son to die for the forgiveness of our sins and to have the eternal life of his Son as a gift when we believe in him and the Heavenly Inheritance to be where Jesus is with the Father...

God does not love those He will send to hell for all eternity (see also Psalm 5:5, Proverbs 16:4). He does love those He chose before the foundation of the world in Christ to be holy and without blame before Him in love. Now that's love! It's a love that doesn't fail, but will surely save each and every one of its particular objects. As He says, His word will not return to Him void.

Isaiah 55:11:

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.