Being a watchman is not fun. ?

[Heleadethme]

On 8/29/2020 at 4:47 PM, leah777 said:

Back, as always with some posters, to secret knowledge only the chosen person can reveal. Secret knowledge is never shared. All Christians or most are bad Christians, not walking in the Light. Such little faith in the work of the Holy Spirit in those Born Again is shown by such posters.

Always the secret is hidden and so complex the person offering it cannot explain it, so insults those who ask. If we cannot see this hidden words then we are apparently lacking and at fault.

Such is the work of cults and is all "Emperors New Clothes". Challenging the words of such ones is seen by these 'prophetic' ones, who have secrets whispered to them seemingly direct from God, as proof of being too unworthy/spiritual/blessed by God to understand.

Is tedious. I am done with attention seeking drivel.

I apologies for my poor English, I am very tired.

It's funny, those are the exact same things I get accused of when I try to share my bread with others.  When I try to share what I have seen in the scriptures, to warn and encourage others of the urgency of the need to grow and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the letter etc, I am accused of superiority, and of insulting and accusing others.  That is due to not understanding what is being said......because only the Holy Spirit can give us understanding of His word.  And the bible also says that truth is only revealed to little children, but HID from the wise and learned.  The carnal mind cannot perceive the things of the Spirit and that is why Jesus was always being misunderstood and misconstrued and wrongly accused too.  But the bible says we are to PROVOKE one another unto good works, so we try not to get discouraged. 

[choir loft]

On 9/4/2020 at 11:12 AM, Walter Goraj jr said:

You're making quite a few accusations you have no idea of what I believe about the Jews and other things and like I said before I'm not a Calvinist. For someone who puts a lot of words out there I'm not seeing any scripture to support what you believe.

All I really care about is what the Bible teaches about this and any other subject ( like all of us should).

 

Did I accuse you personally of something?  If so, please provide a quote where I am arrowing a statement directly at you.  

You are quite correct in stating I don't know what you believe about Jews or the intricacies of the Calvinist belief system.  I couldn't care less what you think.   

On the other hand, you ought to pay deep attention to what THEY believe.  Calvinism provided a minor component for the basis for the German government's policy of eugenics - extermination of Jews as a race.  The major philosophical component was the writings and public addresses of Frederick Neichzhe - ideas the society of the United States has eagerly embraced in our own day.  

It's important to understand where these ideas come from and where they lead.   It's important because we are about to live them again here in our own country.  Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.  

If you feel guilty about supporting Calvinist ideology that's your affair.   Don't blame it on me. 

As I stated in another post, and repeat briefly here, the American Presbyterian Church mostly supports Calvinism and totally denies the efficacy of Holy Writ.   In a convention a few years ago an official statement was voted upon by delegates the purpose of which was to denude the Bible of its divine inspiration and to reduce it to the level of any other human work of literature.   In short, the Presbyterian church no longer holds the Bible as the ultimate source of wisdom from the Kingdom of Heaven.  So why bother to quote it to a Calvinist?

Constantly using scripture as a sort of theological tennis ball or ram so as to argue a point isn't efficacious in any context.   Using scripture OUT OF CONTEXT to support a fallacy isn't either.  Using illogic and denying the testimony of both Bible and believers is an outright misrepresentation of divine intent.    So why call for scripture quotes when they won't be respected in the first place? 

Most people say they care about what the Bible teaches.  What in fact they REALLY believe is a series of religious slogans and buzz words that tickle their ears and please the false assumptions they've made in the past. (Recent religious polls reveal that most 'Christians' admit they've never read the Bible from cover to cover.) [*]

That's why Calvinism teaches hatred of JEWS and why the American church winks at the suggestion they are supporting unholy doctrine.   One's favorite slogan or buzz phrase is more important to them than Biblical context.

The attitudes of today's children echo the practice of their parents.   One local high school class admitted to their teacher (a friend of mine) that they prefer to memorize words and phrases rather than to reason things out.

"It hurts to think," they declared.

The same is true for many who call themselves disciples of Christ.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

[*] Television evangelist Jimmie Baker admitted that the first time he read the Bible from cover to cover was when he spent time in prison for real estate fraud.   If a leader admits such guilt how far behind him are those that follow in his footsteps?

Edited September 8, 2020 by choir loft

[choir loft]

On 9/5/2020 at 8:04 AM, Walter Goraj jr said:

 

You stated: "John 17:6 is misinterpreted to imply predestination, which it in no way suggests."

Of course it does. "...the men which thou gavest me out of the world..." 

Eph.1:4 "According and He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world.."

God's plan of election includes all races, all nations kindreds and tongues.

 

Nice twist.  Glorious spin.  Do you have music to go with that?

You neatly dance to another tune when I mention Biblical context declaring the ONLY people who are chosen out of the world are JEWS.  Jews are the oracle of God assigned the task of being a blessing to all the families of the world (Genesis 12:3) - NOT Calvinists.

Free will and choice of whether or not to serve God was granted to JEWS (as written in Torah - 1st 5 books of the Bible).   The same Free Will is extended to gentiles (read the NT) - who are undeserving of such benefit.

Again it is to be understood that when Calvinist ideology excludes JEWS as the chosen, Calvinists by default insert themselves into that glorious position - WITHOUT DIVINE CERTIFICATION OF ANY SORT.

The theological term for this form of religious acrobatics is Replacement Theology or Supersessionism.   This is the bitter taste of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  It is forbidden.

Again it isn't unique to the cult.  Such theological displacement is habitual among the sons of man.   It's purpose is to subvert the Kingdom of God and transfer authority to the satanic kingdom (read genesis 3).

Have you read the Bible?  Except for the possible exception of the gospel of Luke and book of Acts, the Bible was written BY JEWS and FOR JEWS from beginning to end.   No Calvinist was ever invited to author its words, but they have enjoyed claiming the authority to twist its meaning to their advantage.   After all, who is more blessed than a Calvinist (in their own eyes)?

If a man has no Free Will, then he is nothing more than an animal or cog in the wheels of universal purpose.   Such a belief is indicative of fatalistic eastern religions rather than the personal God revealed in the Bible.  Such a belief is the foundation for tyranny and human oppression of the mind.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited September 8, 2020 by choir loft

[luigi]

On 7/25/2020 at 5:46 PM, Gideon said:

It occurs to me that it is because we have become used to having nothing but good-news Christianity that it is natural to assume that anyone bringing a word that  is not an 'ear tickler' is viewed as criticism and seen as being negative and accusatory. 

But think for a minute. A watchman has a difficult job, While everyone else goes about living their lives, with little to concern themselves with, the job of the watchman is to watch to see if danger approaches. Is he any better? Hardly. He simply sees sooner than others.  And if danger is observed, his task is to warn those who do not yet see it so that they may take precautions, and to be prepared for what is coming

 Would it not be strange that the very ones the watchman is trying to help, instead of listening to the approaching threat, decide instead  to tell the watchman he is off base because he always is bringing back bad tidings and he needs to start to lighten up? 

***

A man is out for a before dawn jog through the neighborhood when he sees smoke bellowing out of an upstairs window, He has no phone and is a good fifteen minutes from home. What should he do? Of course he goes and bangs  on the door. No response. He bangs harder. Still no response. He now sees open flame in the upstairs bedroom window. What should he do?  What would you do? 

Do you just assume it is none of your business and that surely, they will awaken? Do you walk away, trusting that God has it all under control, because  nothing happens outside of His will? Or do you do whatever is necessary to try to see your neighbors saved from the growing flames? What would love do?  Whatever it takes. That is what you do. 

And when you break down the door, run upstairs through the smoke and find them sound asleep, oblivious to the danger around them, and begin to shake them awake, and they respond in anger, asking you who do you think you are disturbing their rest, do you stop and leave them in danger, or persist all the more? The answer is obvious, no matter how any reasons otherwise. 

Some see my posts are negative, critical and judgmental. What I post, regardless of if any can or will at present acknowledge it, is truth.  We are not ready for the return of our King. Nor are we, as a whole, walking in the Free Indeed Jesus promised us, for Jesus defined His free indeed as a place where we do not commit sin.  Ouch. 

Unlike the church in the book of Acts, where saints were blessed with the early rain,  we do not hear men exclaim "Behold how they love one another!" Sin still runs rampant in the body of Christ. A full 30-40% of men have porn issues. I suspect it may be more. Divorce is exactly the same as it is in the world. Worldliness grips us. Rather than being one, we are a divided mess, each assuming their understanding is the correct one.

Are these things not the truth? Should  they not be gigantic red flags to us, telling us something is badly askew? But for the most part there is silence. Why? It is because of our own unconquered natures that  we look to excuse them....and ourselves...  with "We are only human.", thinking that makes it all okay. It does not. 

The fact I bring these issues to our attention is not to hurt anyones feelings. I take no pleasure in it. What I share has one purpose.... to awaken us to the fact that God has promised us  much, much more, and soon we are going to need it to survive. If I candy coat the message, it will just be added to all of our other candy coated beliefs. You see, we have become content with the status quo of healed-only-slightly  Christianity,, robbing ourselves of the abiding in the vine Jesus offers,  the place where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Is it really possible? In THIS life? You bet it is! ?

We comfort ourselves with our experience that tells us that such a place is impossible to truly walk in, and that is why we have grace. No dear brothers and sister, grace begins there for the new child of God but God's will is that we grow up into Him in all things so that He might keep us from falling to the temptations of sin and the propensities of our flesh. 

Ultimately, it is the truth of the Word of God that we must lean on, not our understanding nor what we have up till now observed in other Christians. God is most clear here. Our shields of faith WILL quench all the fiery arriws of the enemy. Our God WILL insure we will never be tempted above our ability to resist. And yes, He WILL cause us to walk as obedient children, all day, every day. 

So guys, if this is not our experience, if we have found our flesh confounding and unable to be ruled, and our sins impossible to lay aside as we are commanded, I plead with you to rethink.... to re-pent.... to think again as to what God has promised. He has promised us victory over the world, the flesh and the devil. And that is the standard that is again being lifted up in these last days. And glory to God, He has promised not only to lift up the standard of holiness unto the Lord, but also to lift US up and to empower us to walk there! Glory!

Difficult days are ahead. What we are experiencing right now is but the beginning. Yet God is providing us a promised place of safety free from the desires, the fears and the unbelief that make up our old man. He is crying  out to us through his appointed watchmen as to the coming danger as well as  how to weather the storm with peace. 

I have nothing but love in my heart for all who are part of the church. Even if their actions are far, far from God's clear words, they are most likely faring far better than I was before God opened my eyes and showed me how to get the devil off my back.  For whatever reason and I will never know why, He has asked me to warn His people living in a false sense of peace that danger approaches and He longs to plant us all, no matter how weak we may be, in a place where when we are tempted, we  an and will resist the enemy steadfast in the faith, and watch with delight when satan flees from us. As children of God, this is our birthright. 

May God strengthen me to be that faithful neighbor, and fulfill my calling as a humble watchman. May He grant me strength to endure despite opposition, and if necessary, break down the doors to peoples' hearts, so that God can fill them with joy unspeakable and full of glory as they walk as true  overcomers of all satan throws at us.

Look, I get it. My words are hard to hear. But as God is my witness, they are spoken in love and concern, and  are meant to bless, not injure or put down. I fully realize that this response I often get will continue but the reward of seeing saints awake to who they as new creatures drives me, and despite not being every person's favorite poster, lol, it is a small price to pay to see the tears of joy that God has assured me will come. 

blessings to all, 

Gideon

 

 

I do believe that the chaos and other calamities the world is experiencing today is the Lord commencing again His shaking of the earth, and this time with heaven as well being shaken.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 

[choir loft]

On 9/8/2020 at 8:21 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

You really have some twisted ideas going on in that choir loft. Are you getting enough oxygen up there?

God has chosen Jews and non-jews to salvation. 

The Bible was given to all mankind, specifically to the child of God to grow in grace, and in the knowledge of their Saviour Jesus Christ. 

Probably 99% of this audience would agree with me.

On 9/8/2020 at 8:21 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

 

 

You are entirely wrong when you say "God has chosen Jews and non-Jews (gentiles or goyim as they are called BY THE CHOSEN) for salvation as if they were separate groups.  They aren't.  However, to be exactly precise, those who are saved become Jews.   Notice if you will, or even if you don't, that EVERY time a place of worship is mentioned in the NT it's a synagogue.  There is no law in the Bible that states a saved man or woman MUST worship in a gentile venue or that God manipulates them into doing so.  Almost all Christians insist church membership is the only thing that saves (saved by works).

a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. - Romans 2:29a

Read the book of Hebrews.  That book describes the nature of salvation with regard to gentiles being accepted as Jews - being grafted into the true vine (the True Vine is Jesus - a living Jew, not Calvin a dead guy).  It says nothing about joining a church or that one is somehow spiritually and mentally manipulated before the beginning of time into such a position.   In both cases, predestination and church membership, the assumption is entirely bogus.   One can be saved and worship in a church with other believers, but such persons enjoy a relationship with God that can only be described as being descended from Jewish blessing - not Calvinist exclusivism and anti-semitic superiority.

btw Paul wrote the quote from Romans above.  Paul was a Jew, by the way.

Again, the NT teaches that a person who CHOOSES to accept Christ becomes a Jew in his/her heart.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. - Jesus as quoted in Revelation 3:20

The word IF precedes the salvation condition described in Revelation.   As such, the Bible states FREE WILL is a spiritual principle - not some sort of demonic manipulation coveted by self-righteous and self-justifying Calvinist ideologues.

 Whatever your lips utter you must be sure to do, because you made your vow freely to the LORD your God with your own mouth. - Deuteronomy 23:23

and again from Joshua 24:15 "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

The principle of FREE WILL is established first among Jews and lastly extended toward gentiles/goyim.

THAT WHICH IS PREDESTINED FROM THE DAWN OF TIME IS THAT THOSE WHO CHOOSE CHRIST WOULD BE CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE.

Biblical predestination refers to God's eternal intentions concerning His road to salvation for those who choose it, not Calvinist traffic cops along the way who issue tickets of damnation to those who don't buy their toxic rubbish.

Throughout history those who wish to restrict and deny mankind its freedom and liberty have used hate language and exclusivism to do it.  Calvinism is but one example of the desire to raise one group to a higher place than others.  In their ideology Jews are excluded first and then the rest of non-Jewish humanity that doesn't agree with JC (John Calvin, not Jesus Christ).   

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by Alive
personal insult

[Alive]

C'mon guys. Please remain civil. You are brothers and your Lord is One.

[Mark; Christ made.]

 

[JohnR7]

On 7/25/2020 at 5:46 PM, Gideon said:

Some see my posts are negative, critical and judgmental. What I post, regardless of if any can or will at present acknowledge it, is truth.  We are not ready for the return of our King. Nor are we, as a whole, walking in the Free Indeed Jesus promised us, for Jesus defined His free indeed as a place where we do not commit sin.  Ouch. 

Maybe you need to be more positive then. God is never negative with me. He is always positive and encouraging. If I am not where I need to be then He encourages me to live the life He is calling me to live and He shows me all the benefits of living right before God. The Bible says we will be ready for when Jesus returns for us. A Bride without spot blemish or wrinkle. I have confidence that God will finish the work that He began in my life. We are told to rejoice and be glad in Him. The Joy of the Lord is our strength. 

[Mark; Christ made.]

I believe this was/is me. Things are getting better as I seek the true face of God more diligently. I continue to repent, worship, sing praises, soak in scripture and pray in Jesus Christ's name more and more. God is drawing me nearer.

[Mark; Christ made.]

"The elect" are not only deceived but deceive others.

Matthew 24:21-24

²¹ for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. ²² And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

²³ Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. ²⁴ For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

"The elect" are not only deceived but deceive others.