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22 minutes ago, 0scar said:

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Jesus did not have any divine power by himself, he had the power gived by God... as a prophet does

I'm just now jumping into this, but I have a question.

Why is it so important to you that Jesus Christ, the Son of God NOT be divine?

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2 hours ago, 0scar said:

Correct. Thanks

Jesus did not have any divine power by himself, he had the power gived by God... as a prophet does

The Heavenly Father allowed the Devil to begin testing him right after and not before the Heavenly Father gave him something that no one had and could not have at that time, only later at the Penticost it was given to others the Holy Spirit from the Father...


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2 hours ago, Jayne said:

I'm just now jumping into this, but I have a question.

Why is it so important to you that Jesus Christ, the Son of God NOT be divine?

Jesus was the seed of the woman...as it was spoken by God at Genesis " the seed of the woman will crush your head and you will bruised his heel"...

The answer to your question is right there....and continues with a number of prophetic messages ...

He was called the seed of David...but at the same time the root of Jesse (the Father of David)...

Which makes reference to the Lord God...who set apart Abraham from the rest of the world in Life and also in Death...

And he made a Covenant with Abraham that he will be the God of his offsprings only... consider the only in the above context and asked questions for clarifications...

You must have your answer by now according as it is by scriptures...

Which do not use the word divine but specifically identified about Jesus that is from the Heavenly Father...

The Heavenly Father has never called anyone before "he is my Son, my ONLY Son in whom I am well please....

Well please it was said for a number of things...

We can read about his birth in the Gospel of Luke...and we trace everything that was foretold in Esaias 6: the virgin will conceived and bring forth a Son EMANUEL....

Later in chapter 9:6 we read what will happen to this child...that the Lord of all and the Judging of all the world is given...God made him in charge of everything...in Heavenly places...every knee everywhere in Heaven on earth and bellow the Earth will bow down to him...

The same Jesus who was born in Bethlehem the same Jesus died on the Cross and he was raised up...and there a lot of witnesses who testified to eat who witness everything that happened...and he was raised up in his own body and he has the scars in his body that testifies that he is the same Jesus who was crucified on the Cross...

And he gave us the witness of Thomas in the presence of all the disciples...

Jesus Christ showed them his scars and they touched him and he eat with them...all this happened to show that he was indeed in his body and not in the Spirit...God took care of many things before the questions start purring in to show deeds of doubt about his resurrection and if indeed he was in his body...

 

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1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus was the seed of the woman...

I've read your lengthy post twice now and have no idea what your point is.

 

Back to @Oscar

Why is it so important to you that Jesus be NOT divine?

Are you a Christian? If not a divine being....whom or what do you believe Jesus Christ to be?

 


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Posted
55 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I've read your lengthy post twice now and have no idea what your point is.

 

Back to @Oscar

Why is it so important to you that Jesus be NOT divine?

Are you a Christian? If not a divine being....whom or what do you believe Jesus Christ to be?

 

 If you do not understand what is the point ...why you do not asked questions....

You have read Oscar's posting all around...

What did you read in his postings that made you believe that Oscar does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God...

That he died for the forgiveness of our sins and raised from the dead..and is now in Heaven according to scriptures...

Oscar in his posts he repeated that Jesus was raised from the dead and after a while was ascended into Heaven...and now he has the Glory or the Heavenly Father bestowed upon him the Glory he had before he entered our world when he was born from Maryam in Bethlehem...

He never said that Jesus was the seed from a man...

Why you have to put this kind of interrogative question to him...

"Are you a Christian " 

Jesus commanded us to declare to the whole world to invite the whole world to believe that he died for the forgiveness of our sins and raised from the dead...and he ascended into Heaven...

To believe that Jesus Christ is ascended into Heaven is to believe that Jesus Christ came from Heaven...

That he was Heavenly...

Why you can't see that...

Jesus also said the same thing that I am going to the Heavenly Father that's where I came from and the disciples said Amen...

The disciples asked everyone to believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior who bore our sins on the Cross...that he died on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins...

And they said if you believe in God and you do not believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins...you are still in your sins....

Oscar did not say or suggest that he does not believe in that...Oscar sees Jesus Christ ascended and Glorify in Heaven....

I think you have misantestood Oscar...to see him the way you suggest is offensive to him and to anyone else in his place...

You do not need a confession to understand that someone is a believer in Jesus Christ...

You must be able to see that from what he says in the totality of his words....

Jesus taught us to avoid to ask direct questions of this kind...

When he was asked to confess that he is the Christ and those who asked him to do that were those who had judge him ...those who did not believe in him...

Jesus did not oblige to respond the way they were demanding from him...he knew that they did not believe in him that he was the Christ because he healed on the Sabbath....

Jesus knew that they will get offended if he heal on the Sabbath but he did over and over again...

He told them to believe because of the works he does...to set aside their offense....

What is your definition of someone being a Christian and from someone who is saved because they believe in Jesus Christ...

I know some people who are pretending to be Christians not to be disinherited from their rich parents...but never the less they still believe in Jesus Christ those that I know...after their parents die...they dedication their new born children to Jesus Christ....

Jesus teach us to throw our nets to catch fish for him...

To throw our nets for him not the way they did it to him...looking for something to use it against him...


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18 hours ago, 0scar said:

Omniscience is not a divine atribute

Jesus did not know the day of his return.  Jesus is not omniscient.

What "church" do you belong to, which teaches that God is not omniscient?  Do you take passages that accommodate to man's limitations and think that they apply to God literally?

Is. 46:8-10 (KJV)

8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Eph. 1:11 (KJV) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

God knows the end from the beginning (and therefore everything in-between).  Why?  Because he planned it all, before he created the earth; and he makes sure it happens, according to the counsel of his own will.


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21 hours ago, Jayne said:

I'm just now jumping into this, but I have a question.

Why is it so important to you that Jesus Christ, the Son of God NOT be divine?

Jesus is fully divene and yet he was not omniscient because divinity and omniscience are not conected


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3 hours ago, David1701 said:

What "church" do you belong to, which teaches that God is not omniscient?  Do you take passages that accommodate to man's limitations and think that they apply to God literally?

Is. 46:8-10 (KJV)

8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Eph. 1:11 (KJV) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

God knows the end from the beginning (and therefore everything in-between).  Why?  Because he planned it all, before he created the earth; and he makes sure it happens, according to the counsel of his own will.

God HAS an infinite and unlimited knowledge.  But to be omniscient is not what god IS.  To have omniscience is not what God IS

God was God before having omniscience, before the creation


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13 minutes ago, 0scar said:

God HAS an infinite and unlimited knowledge.  But to be omniscient is not what god IS.  To have omniscience is not what God IS

God was God before having omniscience, before the creation

This is a misunderstanding.  God is omniscient, because he is God.  To know less than all that there is to know would mean that he was not God; that there were things outside his knowledge and therefore outside his control.

Before creation, God was omniscient.  He has told us that Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world (before God created the world); in other words, God had already planned everything leading up to and including the cross, before he had created anything.


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8 hours ago, David1701 said:

This is a misunderstanding.  God is omniscient, because he is God.  To know less than all that there is to know would mean that he was not God; that there were things outside his knowledge and therefore outside his control.

Before creation, God was omniscient.  He has told us that Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world (before God created the world); in other words, God had already planned everything leading up to and including the cross, before he had created anything.

You are not the only one to say , Jesus Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world...when you know that Jesus was about thirty three years old...that's how old Jesus was when he was crucified...Pilate was the Roman in charge who gave the order...

Jesus met Pilate and he can give testimony that Pilate order and overlooked his crucifixion...its very important to have the correct day of his crisificton ....then we can have the corect day of his resurrection...

In other words we must have Adam first..

And we must have Mary his mother and the Sheppards and the magi...and Herod..

 

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