Tongues?

[Duck]

On 12/11/2020 at 8:04 PM, Paul James said:

Most who never manifest any spiritual gift but are content with their three hymns, sermon and morning tea afterwards, going home full of tea and biscuits instead of the Holy Spirit, quote the above Scripture to justify their own position concerning the spiritual gifts.

 

The Scripture says, "Pursue love and desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy."  Many "Sunday Christians" go on about the importance of love, but ignore the rest of the verse, because manifesting spiritual gifts, especially prophecy is not for their religious observance.

Tongues means languages. The disciples spoke languages when 3 thousand were saved. The list; Luke recorded for us

‘He is not a God of disorder’.

‘religious’, yes, more so on a Sunday, as are most who frequent ‘Christian’ forums.

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Duck

[Paul James]

2 hours ago, Duck said:

Tongues means languages. The disciples spoke languages when 3 thousand were saved. The list; Luke recorded for us

‘He is not a God of disorder’.

‘religious’, yes, more so on a Sunday, as are most who frequent ‘Christian’ forums.

 

Of course they spoke languages.  Luke lists all the regional dialects that were spoken.  What made the listeners marveled was that it was uneducated Galileans who didn't know any of those languages who were speaking all those languages because they spoke only Aramaic which was the prominent language.   Acts 2 says that the 120 spoke in tongues "as the Spirit gave them utterance", which means they were able to speak all these languages which they had never learned.

If you read the passage properly, you will see that it was not the hearing of the mighty acts of God spoken in their regional languages which brought the 3000 to Christ.   It was Peter preaching in Aramaic under the powerful anointing of the Holy Spirit that cut them to their heart, convicted them of sin and caused them to cry out, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

It is important to actually read the Scripture instead of parroting the brainwashing against the modern use of the gift of tongues as some who twist the Scripture are apt to do to make it read something that Luke never wrote.

[Paul James]

6 minutes ago, rhomphaeam said:

As some one who believes in and walks in the gifts of the Holy Spirit including speaking in tongues when the Spirit leads I say let those who promote these things and uphold the Scripture start to correct those who are vain babblers and have utterly destroyed any confidence in the Scripture for millions of believers. Clean your own house before trying to clean another mans house.

What is it about my post that makes you want to advise me to clean my own house before cleaning another man's house?  All I have done is to say what the passage in Acts 2 actually says - that the tongues spoken by the 120 were distinct languages.

Any believer who has the genuine gift of tongues will be speaking a distinct language.  Although in most cases it is spoken in private to God who alone understands it; yet, there have been times when the language, although unlearned by the speaker, has been understood by a native speaker of that language during a group prayer time or in a church service.

[Duck]

49 minutes ago, Paul James said:

Of course they spoke languages.  Luke lists all the regional dialects that were spoken.  What made the listeners marveled was that it was uneducated Galileans who didn't know any of those languages who were speaking all those languages because they spoke only Aramaic which was the prominent language.   Acts 2 says that the 120 spoke in tongues "as the Spirit gave them utterance", which means they were able to speak all these languages which they had never learned.

If you read the passage properly, you will see that it was not the hearing of the mighty acts of God spoken in their regional languages which brought the 3000 to Christ.   It was Peter preaching in Aramaic under the powerful anointing of the Holy Spirit that cut them to their heart, convicted them of sin and caused them to cry out, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

It is important to actually read the Scripture instead of parroting the brainwashing against the modern use of the gift of tongues as some who twist the Scripture are apt to do to make it read something that Luke never wrote.

Yada yada yada

 

[Duck]

32 minutes ago, rhomphaeam said:

You were speaking to @Duck and not once but numerous times. I spoke to you about what you said to duck. So now I am to explain to you what I said about what you said to @Duck. And we wonder why we create so much chaos. Your comments to @Duck were set in a meaning that had cups of tea and biscuits cited as a preferred filling for those folks you speculatively referred to (who ever they are) rather than the Holy Spirit filling them and then you also said that a Scripture he cites &c. 

Given that it is the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches that have made a ruin of these gifts and especially the gift of speaking in tongues it seems to myself that those of us who have that gift would be better cleaning our own houses than other mens because they refuse the gift. That all seems sensible to myself. 

It would be my pleasure to welcome any gift from The Lord, even tongues (as all good gifts are from Him).

i listed the fruits of The H.S. Because they are also gifts/fruits  from Him. 

i could fake the fruits of course (like some do tongues) but don’t want to

and yes, charismatics ruined it for us

Edited December 14, 2020 by Duck

[Duck]

3 hours ago, rhomphaeam said:

Thanks for the explanation Duck. Clearly you are open to the gifts of the Holy Spirit. So my point is somewhat lame, but it is important that we do find a way to walk in the gifts and to do that we have to be able to receive them. I think many brethren are in the same mind you are in. Let's hope and pray that the Lord moves upon us in our private times first so that we can get a handle on things and not bring these gifts into the churches until we have first understood what we have received. Amen.

Amen

[Paul James]

8 hours ago, rhomphaeam said:

You were speaking to @Duck and not once but numerous times. I spoke to you about what you said to duck. So now I am to explain to you what I said about what you said to @Duck. And we wonder why we create so much chaos. Your comments to @Duck were set in a meaning that had cups of tea and biscuits cited as a preferred filling for those folks you speculatively referred to (who ever they are) rather than the Holy Spirit filling them and then you also said that a Scripture he cites &c. 

Given that it is the Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches that have made a ruin of these gifts and especially the gift of speaking in tongues it seems to myself that those of us who have that gift would be better cleaning our own houses than other mens because they refuse the gift. That all seems sensible to myself. 

"Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches that have made a ruin of these gifts", etc., is rather a generalisation.  I don't know how things are in your part of the world, but down here in New Zealand, the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches I know value the gifts and do what they can to manifest them correctly and appropriately as led by the Holy Spirit.   At the age of 21 I was trained by a strict, traditional Pentecostal pastor in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, and he said that one has to be a person of the Word and of prayer to exercise the gifts properly.   I once make a remark about "this tongues business", and he tore a strip off me, and made it quite clear to me that the gift of tongues is a holy gift and is to be treated with the highest respect.

The "pentecostal" and "charismatic" groups that are making a mockery of the gifts, especially tongues, are those heretical ones that promote Prosperity, extra-Biblical "revelation", voices in the head, uncontrolled laughter and public fleshly babbling which they call "tongues".  These are not standard Pentecostal or Charismatic churches.  They are cults that have the badge but not the real thing.

True Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are low-key, not seen on Youtube, and just get on with worshiping the Lord, seeking to live and walk in the Spirit, and spend a lot of time and effort to get the gospel out to the unsaved.   They have strong and dedicated leaders who promptly and effectively deal with any "lunatic fringe" types who are seen in most churches.

The pastor who trained me would not have hesitated, when someone got up and started spouting rubbish, to tell him to "sit down!"   Another respected leader I knew, when some random guy got up and gave a long involved, KJV type prophecy, said, "Well, we can safety ignore that one!"   Another large guy with a built-in amplifier got up and gave a loud utterance, and the leader said in a loud voice, "That's not of God!"

[Paul James]

8 hours ago, Duck said:

Yada yada yada

 

What fruit of the Spirit does that show?  (Just askin'...)

[Duck]

33 minutes ago, Paul James said:

What fruit of the Spirit does that show?  (Just askin'...)

Sorry

[Duck]

37 minutes ago, Paul James said:

"Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches that have made a ruin of these gifts", etc., is rather a generalisation.  I don't know how things are in your part of the world, but down here in New Zealand, the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches I know value the gifts and do what they can to manifest them correctly and appropriately as led by the Holy Spirit.   At the age of 21 I was trained by a strict, traditional Pentecostal pastor in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, and he said that one has to be a person of the Word and of prayer to exercise the gifts properly.   I once make a remark about "this tongues business", and he tore a strip off me, and made it quite clear to me that the gift of tongues is a holy gift and is to be treated with the highest respect.

The "pentecostal" and "charismatic" groups that are making a mockery of the gifts, especially tongues, are those heretical ones that promote Prosperity, extra-Biblical "revelation", voices in the head, uncontrolled laughter and public fleshly babbling which they call "tongues".  These are not standard Pentecostal or Charismatic churches.  They are cults that have the badge but not the real thing.

True Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are low-key, not seen on Youtube, and just get on with worshiping the Lord, seeking to live and walk in the Spirit, and spend a lot of time and effort to get the gospel out to the unsaved.   They have strong and dedicated leaders who promptly and effectively deal with any "lunatic fringe" types who are seen in most churches.

The pastor who trained me would not have hesitated, when someone got up and started spouting rubbish, to tell him to "sit down!"   Another respected leader I knew, when some random guy got up and gave a long involved, KJV type prophecy, said, "Well, we can safety ignore that one!"   Another large guy with a built-in amplifier got up and gave a loud utterance, and the leader said in a loud voice, "That's not of God!"

I like the sound of that pastor.