Joy in the Journey Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 477 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2005 I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion. However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today. God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary. Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind. Correct me if I'm wrong ? Blessings, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zayit Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 That's like saying he didn't create Adam because Adam fell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joy in the Journey Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 477 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2005 That's like saying he didn't create Adam because Adam fell. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's not what I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,319 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,075 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2005 God did not create Satan in his fallen state, Satan did that all by himself..... also God did not create Adam in his fallen state, Adam did that with the help of eve..... Did God know that they would rebell against him........ I am not sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted July 28, 2005 God did not create Satan in his fallen state, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen C. Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 662 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/01/1960 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Eve was deceived, but Adam was disobedient. Adam sinned with his eyes wide OPEN! That is why the word says through one mans disobedience (Adam) that all were made sinners. Blessings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,319 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,075 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2005 I agree Karen, however I don't think he would have done so without Eve's input. Good men have this thing about their women and deep down wanting to please them and take care of them, even when we know it is not right...... Adam chose between God and Eve..... Hummmmm lesson # 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 440 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/12/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/14/1977 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion. However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today. God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary. Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind. Correct me if I'm wrong ? Blessings, Tim Thank you. Yes that is what I was saying. God did not create Satan in his fallen state, Satan did that all by himself..... also God did not create Adam in his fallen state, Adam did that with the help of eve..... Another good way to put it. Did God know that they would rebell against him........ I am not sure.... but if He didn't......how would that make Him still an all knowing God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusisGod2 Posted July 28, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,065 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/03/1958 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I think what Willow means was, God did create Lucifer- a perfect being and one who was the highest of all angels - before his rebellion. However, God did not create what/whom we know as satan today. God created a perfect angel- Lucifer ( Ezekiel 28 & Isaiah 14 )...but he rebelled, and now there's Satan, our adversary. Much like God created a perfect human, Adam...and now we have a fallen human race because of him ( Romans 5:12 )...God still created mankind, only not with the intentions nor will for a fallen mankind. Correct me if I'm wrong ? Blessings, Tim <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Tim, Let me ask you this then. Do you think that when God created Lucifer that He was unaware that he would rebell? When God created man, do you think that God was unaware that he would rebell? In Jesus kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zayit Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Eve was deceived, but Adam was disobedient. Adam sinned with his eyes wide OPEN! That is why the word says through one mans disobedience (Adam) that all were made sinners. Blessings, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Correct! It was up to Adam to straighten his wife out, if he couldn't do it himself he was to turn to the L-RD and ask for clarification, instead he chose not do. So he rebelled to the natural order of things the way the L-rD set up. Notice that Havah's punishment is only during child bearing , but Adams is every day by only being able to feed himself ( and family) by the sweat of his brow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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