2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

[Moby]

34 minutes ago, luigi said:

Here is another question rephrased: What is the lie so many will choose over the truth, so that they may take pleasure in unrighteousness?

Paul gave us the answer in his 2nd letter to Timothy which is to deny the power of the Word as the sword of the Holy Spirit to overcome our sin nature:

Ephesians 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

2 Timothy 3:1-7  But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.  (2)  For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,  (3)  without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,  (4)  traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;  (5)  holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away.  (6)  For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women(silly churches) laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,  (7)  ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

These pleasure loving preachers stand in pulpits all across America teaching baby Christians that they will never be anything but dirty rotten sinners saved by grace which is to turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness(license to sin):

Jude 1:1-4 & 12   Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ:  (2)  Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied.  (3)  Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints.  (4)  For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.  (12)  These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

These pastors utter great swelling words of vanity that encourage the pew sitters to enjoy their liberty playing sports, hunting, fishing, and taking up all sorts of hobbies rather than forsaking the world and studying the Word until they walk like Jesus in this life:

2 Peter 2:17-22  These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm; for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved.  (18)  For, uttering great swelling words of vanity, they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by lasciviousness, those who are just escaping from them that live in error;  (19)  promising them liberty, while they themselves are bondservants of corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he also brought into bondage.  (20)  For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first.  (21)  For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.  (22)  It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

1 John 2:6  he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.

1 John 2:15-17  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  (16)  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.  (17)  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

[luigi]

32 minutes ago, Moby said:

Paul gave us the answer in his 2nd letter to Timothy which is to deny the power of the Word as the sword of the Holy Spirit to overcome our sin nature:

Ephesians 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

2 Timothy 3:1-7  But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.  (2)  For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,  (3)  without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,  (4)  traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;  (5)  holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away.  (6)  For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women(silly churches) laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,  (7)  ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

These pleasure loving preachers stand in pulpits all across America teaching baby Christians that they will never be anything but dirty rotten sinners saved by grace which is to turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness(license to sin):

Jude 1:1-4 & 12   Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ:  (2)  Mercy unto you and peace and love be multiplied.  (3)  Beloved, while I was giving all diligence to write unto you of our common salvation, I was constrained to write unto you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered unto the saints.  (4)  For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.  (12)  These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast with you, shepherds that without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

These pastors utter great swelling words of vanity that encourage the pew sitters to enjoy their liberty playing sports, hunting, fishing, and taking up all sorts of hobbies rather than forsaking the world and studying the Word until they walk like Jesus in this life:

2 Peter 2:17-22  These are springs without water, and mists driven by a storm; for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved.  (18)  For, uttering great swelling words of vanity, they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by lasciviousness, those who are just escaping from them that live in error;  (19)  promising them liberty, while they themselves are bondservants of corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he also brought into bondage.  (20)  For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first.  (21)  For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.  (22)  It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

1 John 2:6  he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.

1 John 2:15-17  Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  (16)  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.  (17)  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Yes Moby, The lie so many will choose over the truth will be for carnal gratification. If we then put together the other scriptures the Lord provides us on this time in which the world's environment is increasingly being destroyed due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce, which are produced through fossil fuels; the lie people will choose over the truth is that of modern day technologies not causing the plagues in Revelation 8 & 9. Mankind will therefore not repent from their environmentally destructive technologies/sorceries so that they may continue to indulge in their fleshly desires. With all the increasing wildfires currently taking place throughout the world; I do believe we are now on our way in which the first angels sounding in which 1/3 of all earth's trees are burned, has commenced. 

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

[Leonardo Von]

On 8/22/2020 at 5:56 PM, luigi said:

What is the truth so many will deny to instead choose a lying delusion so that they may take pleasure in unrighteousness?

Many will deny Jesus and His Word for the reason shown below:

2Ti 4:3,4  -> "For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear. And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths." 

 

[luigi]

46 minutes ago, Leonardo Von said:

Many will deny Jesus and His Word for the reason shown below:

2Ti 4:3,4  -> "For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear. And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths." 

 

Yes, Leonardo Von, Many will deny Jesus. And what/Who is Jesus? Jesus is truth. Many will therefore reject truth, so that they may continue to take pleasure in unbelieving. This is what 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 basically is stating. So what is the truth today that many are rejecting so that they may continue to take pleasure in unrighteousness/unbelieving? It is the love mankind has for the things his hands make (Revelation 9:20), which today are produced through fossil fuels. This love for materialism, which is another term for idolatry, is what is deemed the cause for the plagues in Revelation chapters 8 & 9. In Revelation 8 alone, one third of all of earth's environmental resources are destroyed due to mankind refusing to repent from their love of idolatry/materialism. 

2 Thessalonians 2:10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

[Leonardo Von]

17 hours ago, luigi said:

So what is the truth today that many are rejecting so that they may continue to take pleasure in unrighteousness/unbelieving? It is the love mankind has for the things his hands make (Revelation 9:20), which today are produced through fossil fuels. This love for materialism, which is another term for idolatry, is what is deemed the cause for the plagues in Revelation chapters 8 & 9. In Revelation 8 alone, one third of all of earth's environmental resources are destroyed due to mankind refusing to repent from their love of idolatry/materialism. 

I own up that I didn't have paid attention to this. Never I had done the connection between "to love the works of their hands" with "worship demons", what means to love to accuse people, considering them as enemies.

[luigi]

9 hours ago, Leonardo Von said:

I own up that I didn't have paid attention to this. Never I had done the connection between "to love the works of their hands" with "worship demons", what means to love to accuse people, considering them as enemies.

It is a little complicated Leonardo Von. The main thing is to recognize that the bible is full of metaphors; many of which in the book of Revelation are used to describe future events that did not exist in the first century AD when the book of Revelation was written.

How would you describe the world today being destroyed through fossil fuel burning industries that did not in the first century AD? Answer: Through metaphors. In Revelation 7:1-4, four of the Lords angels are restraining the four winds from damaging the earth, until all of the Lords servants throughout the earth are sealed with the Lords seal of truth. Once the Lords servants throughout the earth are sealed with Gods seal of truth, the four angels in Revelation 7 cease their restraining of the elements from damaging the earth, resulting in the commencing destruction to one third of all of earth's environmental resources caused by excessive fossil fuel use. Let's look at how these events are described through metaphors
After the Lords servants are sealed with Gods truth in their foreheads (minds), the seventh seal is then opened, and there is silence in heaven for the space of about ½ hour (Revelation 8:1), after which seven angels then appear who stand before God and are given seven trumpets (Revelation 8:2).

As the Lords angels provide mankind with true illumination as to what will result in the endeavors mankind contemplates to undertake; when the first angel sounds providing mankind with illumination that his undertakings will result in dire environmental consequences, the world’s ruling parties disregard the angels warning, resulting in 1/3 of earth’s trees and all green grass being burned (Revelation 8:7).

Today due to the world’s leaders and titans of industry disregard of global heating caused by increased burning of fossil fuels, the earth as a result is experiencing increasing forest fires throughout many regions.

As the second angel’s sounding warning is also disregarded by the powers that be; a great mountain burning as with fire is then cast into the sea causing 1/3 of earth’s seas to become blood (Revelation 8:8-9).

Today due to agricultural runoff in conjunction with global heating, algae blooms, often referred to as red tides, are becoming more frequent occurrences throughout the worlds oceans, and are causing the death of increasing levels of marine life.

When the third angels sounding illumination of truth is disregarded, a great star burning as a lamp falls upon 1/3 of earth’s rivers and underground aquifers causing them to become bitter and poisonous (Revelation 8:10-11).

Today due to hydraulic fracturing (often referred to as fracking), ever increasing fresh water resources are being made bitter and poisonous.

The star, called wormwood who falls from heaven burning as a lamp is realized as one of Satan’s angels who provides mankind the illumination for the chemical cocktail to access natural gas from shale beneath earth’s surface.

At the fourth angels disregarded sounding warning, 1/3 of the light from the sun, moon, and stars is darkened, and do not shine for 1/3 of the day and night (Revelation 8:12).

Today due to industrial pollution, along with automobile and other atmospheric pollutants, the light from our sun, moon, and stars are considerably less visible than prior to when the industrial revolution began.

All of these plagues are attributed to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce in these end times (Revelation 9:20).

Once our planet reaches the levels of contamination indicated in Revelation 8, an angel flying through the midst of heaven declares in a loud voice: “Woe, Woe, Woe, by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound” (Revelation 8:13).

[Diaste]

On 8/22/2020 at 2:56 PM, luigi said:

What is the truth so many will deny to instead choose a lying delusion so that they may take pleasure in unrighteousness?

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. And are you in denial of the truth that the Lord makes very obvious today with signs in the heavens and on the earth?

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1Now the serpenta was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’ ”

2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, 3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’ ”

4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

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They loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The above is the deception then, now and in the future. 

[luigi]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

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1Now the serpenta was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’ ”

2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden, 3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’ ”

4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

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They loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The above is the deception then, now and in the future. 

Of a truth Diaste, to believe the devil then, now, and in the future is the deception the unrighteous will choose instead of the truth, so that they may continue to take pleasure in unrighteousness. The question still stands, however, as to what the deception is the devil along with the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2 (which is another description for the Antichrist, the beasts mouth) will propagate, that everyone who is not written in the lambs book of life will be in adoration of? The answer is provided as a matter of context with the other data on the devil and the AC, who is the the beasts mouth.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[Alive]

Rom. 8:37 (NAS20S)   But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[TheBlade]

On 8/22/2020 at 2:56 PM, luigi said:

What is the truth so many will deny to instead choose a lying delusion so that they may take pleasure in unrighteousness?

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. And are you in denial of the truth that the Lord makes very obvious today with signs in the heavens and on the earth?

Hi.. would seem to me the Antichrist will with false signs and wonders entice those that have made money their god.  This is about those already lost or gone astray. Its because they no longer love the truth He sends them a strong delusion. Like one said "This will lead them to "believe a lie" (literally the lie, not any lie that happens to come alone, but the big lie, the false claims and pretensions of the Antichrist)"