About Shepherds Chapel network?

[CaptWalker]

Guess i'll just throw this one out there since no one seems too interested in these type subjects in other forum sections. Which is basically if anyone is familiar with this "ministry" and their teachings, or anything else that maybe i haven't yet heard? And even though they do have their own website i still think you would actually have to listen to a full broadcast if you are not familiar with them, just to get some idea what they are all about. Either way was just curious since i have never heard them mentioned anywhere else except on Youtube and one other online forum "associated" with them?  

[Jayne]

This is a ministry of serious false teachings.  He teaches that Cain is the biological son of Eve and the devil.  He teaches that this is what the "temptation" was.  And that anyone descended from Cain automatically goes to hell.

He doesn't believe in the rapture.  That' fine.  But he teaches that those who do will follow the Antichrist at the end and that they are not saved now.

He is an open racist and believes that those in Great Britain are the "lost Jews" and of superior "race".

[I already knew these things, but did check with GotQuestions  to make sure I was remembering right.]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Shepherds-Chapel.html

[CaptWalker]

Well from watching him many times i get the feeling that he actually believes these things are what the Bible teaches and not just his own opinion. And to me he has never come off as a racist and have heard him say many times that God made the races equal and He loves them ALL the same. That comes from the "6th day creation" doctrine which he claims that the Hebrew manuscripts teach, but you have to know the language or have access to these study tools in order to confirm it. And also i know about his beliefs on the rapture and those who believe in it, but have never heard him say there were not yet saved, but only that they would be deceived by the Anti-christ if they continued to believe that way. But one teaching i really kind of have an issue with is the one where those who were deceived in the tribulation will be held on the other side of paradise, basically Hell(where the rich man went in that parable) where they will be "taught" the truth during the millenium by those who overcame, and then will have a chance to repent and be welcomed back into the Kingdom. But he doesn't call it a second chance since he says,"they never had a chance to begin with, because they were never taught the truth" concerning the false rapture doctrine, even though MANY people including myself were not either but made up our own minds about it, and some have just never believed it. And I also have an issue with the 5 months(Revelation-9) which he believes is the time period that anti-christ will be here, in other words "shortened" from the 42 months.

But either way i am just saying all this here because the one forum i know of that follows this ministry does not really allow questioning or insinuating that what he teaches is wrong. Because there is no reason for it when it has already been established that everything he teaches is 100% accurate, even though he himself says to check out what he is saying in God's word. Which i have done many times and still can't find a lot of it, at least not in the way he is saying it. But again you really have to watch at least a few airings to start to pick up on a lot of this and to figure out where he's coming from. And even though i do question some of it i don't agree with with what a lot of these online "critics" opinions of him are, and I personally won't accuse anyone of being a false teacher unless i have ALL the facts straight and am convinced 100%, but that is just me obviously.

[Billiards Ball]

17 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Guess i'll just throw this one out there since no one seems too interested in these type subjects in other forum sections. Which is basically if anyone is familiar with this "ministry" and their teachings, or anything else that maybe i haven't yet heard? And even though they do have their own website i still think you would actually have to listen to a full broadcast if you are not familiar with them, just to get some idea what they are all about. Either way was just curious since i have never heard them mentioned anywhere else except on Youtube and one other online forum "associated" with them?  

Part of the Shepherd's Chapel's doctrine follows British Israelism, as well as a version of the "serpent seed" doctrine that identifies a "Kenite" lineage of people who are descended from Cain who slew Abel.

So . . . bad doctrine, using pseudoarchaeology.

[Jayne]

4 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Well from watching him many times i get the feeling that he actually believes these things are what the Bible teaches and not just his own opinion.

I personally won't accuse anyone of being a false teacher unless i have ALL the facts straight and am convinced 100%, but that is just me obviously.

Of course he believes his own teachings! That doesn't make them true.

Brother, it sound to me as if you admire him to some degree as you watch him frequently.

If you can't understand that the idea of  original sin being Eve having sex with the devil and producing a lineage of people who cannot be saved and automatically go to hell is a false teaching, then I can't help you.

If "eating of the fruit" means that Eve had sex with the devil, then what the Adam "and he ate with her" mean?????

My earnest plea with you is to FLEE him.

[CaptWalker]

8 hours ago, Jayne said:

Of course he believes his own teachings! That doesn't make them true.

Brother, it sound to me as if you admire him to some degree as you watch him frequently.

If you can't understand that the idea of  original sin being Eve having sex with the devil and producing a lineage of people who cannot be saved and automatically go to hell is a false teaching, then I can't help you.

If "eating of the fruit" means that Eve had sex with the devil, then what the Adam "and he ate with her" mean?????

My earnest plea with you is to FLEE him.

Well it sounds to me as if you are a bit too overly concerned about someone like me who watches occassionally and still questions his teachings like i already said...so what gives exactly? It's not like he's begging for money like some of these TV preachers, whom i also watch just out of boredom mostly, and there are many worse things i could be watching!  And no i don't really admire anyone too much if that makes you feel better? And there is nothing to FLEE from, since no one tells me what to believe, including YOU...

Edited August 25, 2020 by CaptWalker

[Billiards Ball]

13 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Well it sounds to me as if you are a bit too overly concerned about someone like me who watches occassionally and still questions his teachings like i already said...so what gives exactly? It's not like he's begging for money like some of these TV preachers, whom i also watch just out of boredom mostly, and there are many worse things i could be watching!  And no i don't really admire anyone too much if that makes you feel better? And there is nothing to FLEE from, since no one tells me what to believe, including YOU...

If eating fruit means "sex with Satan" then Adam and Eve had sex with Satan.

Avoiding a teacher who teaches such a heresy/inane thing/non-biblical thing isn't telling you what to believe, it's telling you who to TRUST. We are to trust Jesus for salvation and distrust false teachers.

[CaptWalker]

Well as far as "trust" is concerned, someone has to pretty much earn it first, since that is how i have usually been treated as well. And since there are some stones being cast then maybe i'll just throw a few of my own. Which involve SBN channel, which has some of the absolute best Bible scholars on their shows...BUT, from what i do know anyone affiliated with this network pretty much believes 110% in the Pre-trib rapture, and a 7 year tribulation. And even though it really shouldn't surprise me that much(but it still does?) because some of the most intelligent and educated people who ever lived are in HELL right now. And one errant belief/teaching can negate everything else that a person stands for, especially something like this. And i actually sent in an email/question once on this subject and it was answered and dismissed faster than almost any other i have ever heard on this show...and THAT pretty much tells me everything i need to know, at least regarding this subject. Not that it has anything to do with my original question, but guess i just had a few "stones" of my own that i needed to throw out there...?

[Billiards Ball]

23 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Well as far as "trust" is concerned, someone has to pretty much earn it first, since that is how i have usually been treated as well. And since there are some stones being cast then maybe i'll just throw a few of my own. Which involve SBN channel, which has some of the absolute best Bible scholars on their shows...BUT, from what i do know anyone affiliated with this network pretty much believes 110% in the Pre-trib rapture, and a 7 year tribulation. And even though it really shouldn't surprise me that much(but it still does?) because some of the most intelligent and educated people who ever lived are in HELL right now. And one errant belief/teaching can negate everything else that a person stands for, especially something like this. And i actually sent in an email/question once on this subject and it was answered and dismissed faster than almost any other i have ever heard on this show...and THAT pretty much tells me everything i need to know, at least regarding this subject. Not that it has anything to do with my original question, but guess i just had a few "stones" of my own that i needed to throw out there...?

I accept your stones, but saying X Christian network has heresy does not allow Y Christian network to be tolerated for heresy.

How to parse heresy/how to learn who to trust? Bible study, not watching other people talk about the Bible.

How to see others saved? Evangelism, not watching televangelists, etc.

[CaptWalker]

3 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

I accept your stones, but saying X Christian network has heresy does not allow Y Christian network to be tolerated for heresy.

How to parse heresy/how to learn who to trust? Bible study, not watching other people talk about the Bible.

How to see others saved? Evangelism, not watching televangelists, etc.

Well i would actually agree with that, and of course if one ministry has a few heretical teachings then you wouldn't try and justify it by comparing it to another that may have many more...which really goes without saying. But not sure exactly if that was your point, but as far as TV evangelists go, i suppose it would come down to what constitutes one of these individuals, or if you are on TV then you are one, period? I don't know how others see it, but as far as i'm concerned the one i was half-heartedly "defending" does not fall into this category, in the traditional sense.   And HE in fact speaks out against those who are...and even though it is all about evangelism and salvation, there still must be certain truths from God's word that are taught, but apparently not being done so correctly in MANY places?

Edited August 26, 2020 by CaptWalker