The commonwealth of Israel

[Moby]

Please notice that Paul is clearly saying that the Gentile who becomes a believer in Jesus becomes a fellow-citizen of the commonwealth of Israel with the Jews who believe in Jesus as fellow saints who as ONE are the household of God:

Ephesians 2:11-22  Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands;  (12)  that ye(Gentiles) were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.  (13)  But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.  (14)  For he(Jesus) is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,  (15)  having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he(Jesus) might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;  (16)  and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:  (17)  and he came and preached peace to you(Gentile) that were far off, and peace to them(Jews) that were nigh:  (18)  for through him we(believing Jews and Gentiles) both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.  (19)  So then ye(believing Gentiles) are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,  (20)  being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;  (21)  in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord;  (22)  in whom ye(believing Gentile) also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.

The nation of Israel is NOT a physical country in the middle east but a nation of people who should be devoted to God! Please notice God promised to recognize them as a holy nation while in the desert before they entered their promised land:

Exodus 19:3-6  And Moses went up unto God, and Jehovah called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:  (4)  Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.  (5)  Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine:  (6)  and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

John while exiled on the isle of Patmos made it very clear that the church made up of believing Jews and Gentiles were that kingdom of priests unto our God through Jesus:

Revelation 1:4-6  John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;  (5)  and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;  (6)  and he(Jesus) made us(believing Jews and believing Gentiles as ONE) to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Anyone who teaches anything other than this truth is going beyond what is clearly written and puffed up in pride lifting his doctrine above our Father's Word:

1 Corinthians 4:6  Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.

There is much more here on the ONLY nation of people God will recognize from Christ onward:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

Edited September 11, 2020 by Moby

[Retrobyter]

13 hours ago, Moby said:

Please notice that Paul is clearly saying that the Gentile who becomes a believer in Jesus becomes a fellow-citizen of the commonwealth of Israel with the Jews who believe in Jesus as fellow saints who as ONE are the household of God:

Ephesians 2:11-22  Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands;  (12)  that ye(Gentiles) were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.  (13)  But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.  (14)  For he(Jesus) is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,  (15)  having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he(Jesus) might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;  (16)  and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:  (17)  and he came and preached peace to you(Gentile) that were far off, and peace to them(Jews) that were nigh:  (18)  for through him we(believing Jews and Gentiles) both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.  (19)  So then ye(believing Gentiles) are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,  (20)  being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;  (21)  in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord;  (22)  in whom ye(believing Gentile) also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.

The nation of Israel is NOT a physical country in the middle east but a nation of people who should be devoted to God! Please notice God promised to recognize them as a holy nation while in the desert before they entered their promised land:

Exodus 19:3-6  And Moses went up unto God, and Jehovah called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:  (4)  Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.  (5)  Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be mine own possession from among all peoples: for all the earth is mine:  (6)  and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

John while exiled on the isle of Patmos made it very clear that the church made up of believing Jews and Gentiles were that kingdom of priests unto our God through Jesus:

Revelation 1:4-6  John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;  (5)  and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;  (6)  and he(Jesus) made us(believing Jews and believing Gentiles as ONE) to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Anyone who teaches anything other than this truth is going beyond what is clearly written and puffed up in pride lifting his doctrine above our Father's Word:

1 Corinthians 4:6  Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.

There is much more here on the ONLY nation of people God will recognize from Christ onward:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

Shalom, Moby.

Nice try, but no. You're conveniently forgetting Paul's other letter to the Romans:
 

Romans 11:11-32 (KJV)

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should (permanently) fall? God forbid: but rather through their (temporary) fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the (temporary) fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, "The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in." 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

It's NOT that God has concluded Gentiles and Jews into a new body which some call the "church"; it's that God has included Gentiles into the children of Israel!

[Moby]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

It's NOT that God has concluded Gentiles and Jews into a new body which some call the "church"; it's that God has included Gentiles into the children of Israel!

No where above did I say that believing "Gentiles and Jews become a new body which some call the "church"".

I said: "Please notice that Paul is clearly saying that the Gentile who becomes a believer in Jesus becomes a fellow-citizen of the commonwealth of Israel with the Jews who believe in Jesus as fellow saints who as ONE are the household of God."

No I didn't forget Romans chapter 11 as it is in the link I provided but since most people in this forum are so afraid to open links I will copy and paste it here!

Paul who was led of the Holy Spirit to pen such books as Ephesians, Romans, and Corinthians would not contradict himself so as to cause confusion among the churches:

1 Corinthians 14:33  for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Here is a portion of that link where Rob clearly proves Ephesians chapter 2 and Romans chapter 11 are teaching the same inclusion of believing Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel which is the ONE olive tree:

He declared in Isaiah that only a remnant of physical Israel will be saved when He is about to finish His Word upon the earth:

Romans 9:27-28  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

But two chapters later Paul is declaring "all Israel" shall be saved:

Romans 11:26  and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The only way for this to be true is if Father declared from the beginning that the commonwealth of Israel will be made up of many Jews and Gentiles grafted into ONE olive tree:

Romans 11:7-28 What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened: (8) according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day. (9) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, And a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them: (10) Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, And bow thou down their back always. (11) I say then, Did they stumble that they might fall? God forbid: but by their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy. (12) Now if their fall is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (13) But I speak to you that are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I glorify my ministry; (14) if by any means I may provoke to jealousy them that are my flesh, and may save some of them. (15) For if the casting away of them is the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (16) And if the firstfruit is holy, so is the lump: and if the root is holy, so are the branches. (17) But if some of the branches(unbelieving Jews) were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive(believing Gentiles), wast grafted in among them(believing Jews), and didst become partaker with them of the root of the fatness of the olive tree; (18) glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee. (19) Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. (20) Well; by their unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear: (21) for if God spared not the natural branches, neither will he spare thee. (22) Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God's goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (23) And they also, if they continue not in their unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. (24) For if thou wast cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more shall these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? (25) For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; (26) and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27) And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. (28) As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake

So the mystery is the commonwealth of Israel is made up of only those Jews and Gentiles who are not broken off of that ONE olive tree called "all Israel"!

Some try to accuse this inclusion of the Gentile church into the commonwealth of Israel as replacement theology but Paul made it very clear that God always intended on making both believing Jews and believing Gentiles one people:

Romans 9:22-26 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction: (23) and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, (24) even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? (25) As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. (26) And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

The new covenant was made through Jesus' blood and includes the salvation of souls from every tribe, tongue, people, and nation including physical Israel who all become one holy nation in Christ:

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, (10) and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.

1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Jesus declared that both the flock of believing physical Israel and the flock of believing Gentiles will become ONE flock with ONE shepherd:

John 10:16 And other sheep(Gentiles) I have, which are not of this fold(Jews): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Moby

[WilliamL]

6 hours ago, Moby said:

So the mystery is the commonwealth of Israel is made up of only those Jews and Gentiles who are not broken off of that ONE olive tree called "all Israel"!

Except that the passage never explicitly states that Israel is the olive tree. Note how the chapter begins:

Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Now let us go over to Galatians.

Gal. 3:7 Therefore know that those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Abraham had two lineages: those of Faith, and those of Race. Both had promises: the promises of Race had to do with lands and material blessings, while the promises of Faith had to do with spiritual blessings. But both derived from the same root and olive tree of Abraham. Not the tree of Israel.  Israel still needs to be grafted back into the lineage of faith; the Gentiles having faith in Christ do not, nor do they have to become Israelites.

[Moby]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Except that the passage never explicitly states that Israel is the olive tree. Note how the chapter begins:

Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Now let us go over to Galatians.

Gal. 3:7 Therefore know that those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Abraham had two lineages: those of Faith, and those of Race. Both had promises: the promises of Race had to do with lands and material blessings, while the promises of Faith had to do with spiritual blessings. But both derived from the same root and olive tree of Abraham. Not the tree of Israel.  Israel still needs to be grafted back into the lineage of faith; the Gentiles having faith in Christ do not, nor do they have to become Israelites.

Sorry bro but Romans chapter 11 explicitly states that the natural branches of that ONE olive tree are the Israelites and thus physical Jews! I will add some description to the many pronouns Paul used to help explain what Paul was clearly saying::

Romans 11:1-32  I say then, Did God cast off his people? God forbid. For I(Paul) also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.  (2)  God did not cast off his people(Jews) which he foreknew. Or know ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he pleadeth with God against Israel:  (3)  Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.  (4)  But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men(Jews), who have not bowed the knee to Baal.  (5)  Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant(of Jews) according to the election of grace.  (6)  But if it is by grace, it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.  (7)  What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he(Israel) obtained not; but the election(a chosen remnant of Jews) obtained it, and the rest(the majority of the Jews)  were hardened:  (8)  according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day.  (9)  And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, And a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them(the majority of the Jews):  (10)  Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, And bow thou down their back always.  (11)  I say then, Did they stumble that they might fall? God forbid: but by their(the majority of the Jews) fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy.  (12)  Now if their(the majority of the Jews) fall is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?  (13)  But I speak to you that are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I(Paul) am an apostle of Gentiles, I glorify my ministry;  (14)  if by any means I may provoke to jealousy them that are my flesh, and may save some of them(a chosen remnant of Jews).  (15)  For if the casting away of them is the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?  (16)  And if the firstfruit(Jesus) is holy, so is the lump(Israel): and if the root(Jesus) is holy, so are the branches(individual believing Jews).  (17)  But if some of the branches(unbelieving Jews) were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive(believing Gentiles), wast grafted in among them(believing Jews), and didst become partaker with them(believing Jews) of the root(Jesus) of the fatness of the olive tree(Israel);  (18)  glory not over the branches(believing Jews): but if thou(believing Gentiles) gloriest, it is not thou(believing Gentiles) that bearest the root(Jesus), but the root thee(believing Gentiles).  (19)  Thou wilt say then, Branches(unbelieving Jews) were broken off, that I(believing Gentiles) might be grafted in.  (20)  Well; by their(unbelieving Jews) unbelief they were broken off, and thou(believing Gentiles) standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear:  (21)  for if God spared not the natural branches(Jews), neither will he spare thee(Gentiles).  (22)  Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them(unbelieving Jews) that fell, severity; but toward thee(believing Gentiles), God's goodness, if thou(believing Gentiles) continue in his goodness: otherwise thou(believing Gentiles that fall) also shalt be cut off.  (23)  And they also, if they(unbelieving Jews) continue not in their unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them(believing Jews) in again.  (24)  For if thou(believing Gentiles) wast cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree(all Gentiles), and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree(Israel); how much more shall these(Jews), which are the natural branches(Jews), be grafted into their own olive tree(Israel)?  (25)  For I would not, brethren(believing Jews and believing Gentiles), have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel(the majority of the Jews), until the fulness of the Gentiles(all the believing Gentiles) be come in;  (26)  and so all Israel(all the believing Jews and believing Gentiles elected by grace from the foundation of the world) shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness(all the unbelieving Jews cut off their olive tree) from Jacob:  (27)  And this is my covenant unto them(Jews), When I shall take away their sins.  (28)  As touching the gospel, they(unbelieving Jews) are enemies for your(believing Gentiles) sake: but as touching the election, they(believing Jews) are beloved for the fathers' sake.  (29)  For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.  (30)  For as ye(believing Gentiles) in time past were disobedient to God, but now have obtained mercy by their(unbelieving Jews) disobedience,  (31)  even so have these(unbelieving Jews) also now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you(believing Gentiles) they(believing Jews) also may now obtain mercy. 

Abraham had one son by promise whose name was Isaac through whom all the promises were passed on to his son Jacob and his 12 sons the patriarchs:

Genesis 17:19  And God said, Nay, but Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his seed after him.

Galatians 4:22-23  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.  (23)  Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.

Genesis 28:13-16  And, behold, Jehovah stood above it, and said, I am Jehovah, the God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;  (14)  and thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.  (15)  And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee, whithersoever thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. (16)  And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely Jehovah is in this place; and I knew it not.

[Retrobyter]

On 9/11/2020 at 7:42 AM, Moby said:

No where above did I say that believing "Gentiles and Jews become a new body which some call the "church"".

I said: "Please notice that Paul is clearly saying that the Gentile who becomes a believer in Jesus becomes a fellow-citizen of the commonwealth of Israel with the Jews who believe in Jesus as fellow saints who as ONE are the household of God."

No I didn't forget Romans chapter 11 as it is in the link I provided but since most people in this forum are so afraid to open links I will copy and paste it here!

Paul who was led of the Holy Spirit to pen such books as Ephesians, Romans, and Corinthians would not contradict himself so as to cause confusion among the churches:

1 Corinthians 14:33  for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Here is a portion of that link where Rob clearly proves Ephesians chapter 2 and Romans chapter 11 are teaching the same inclusion of believing Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel which is the ONE olive tree:

He declared in Isaiah that only a remnant of physical Israel will be saved when He is about to finish His Word upon the earth:

Romans 9:27-28  And Isaiah crieth concerning Israel, If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that shall be saved:  (28)  for the Lord will execute his word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short.

But two chapters later Paul is declaring "all Israel" shall be saved:

Romans 11:26  and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The only way for this to be true is if Father declared from the beginning that the commonwealth of Israel will be made up of many Jews and Gentiles grafted into ONE olive tree:

Romans 11:7-28 What then? That which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened: (8) according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day. (9) And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, And a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them: (10) Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, And bow thou down their back always. (11) I say then, Did they stumble that they might fall? God forbid: but by their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy. (12) Now if their fall is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? (13) But I speak to you that are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I glorify my ministry; (14) if by any means I may provoke to jealousy them that are my flesh, and may save some of them. (15) For if the casting away of them is the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (16) And if the firstfruit is holy, so is the lump: and if the root is holy, so are the branches. (17) But if some of the branches(unbelieving Jews) were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive(believing Gentiles), wast grafted in among them(believing Jews), and didst become partaker with them of the root of the fatness of the olive tree; (18) glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee. (19) Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. (20) Well; by their unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear: (21) for if God spared not the natural branches, neither will he spare thee. (22) Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God's goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (23) And they also, if they continue not in their unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. (24) For if thou wast cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and wast grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more shall these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? (25) For I would not, brethren, have you ignorant of this mystery, lest ye be wise in your own conceits, that a hardening in part hath befallen Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; (26) and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27) And this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. (28) As touching the gospel, they are enemies for your sake: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake

So the mystery is the commonwealth of Israel is made up of only those Jews and Gentiles who are not broken off of that ONE olive tree called "all Israel"!

Some try to accuse this inclusion of the Gentile church into the commonwealth of Israel as replacement theology but Paul made it very clear that God always intended on making both believing Jews and believing Gentiles one people:

Romans 9:22-26 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction: (23) and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, (24) even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? (25) As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. (26) And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

The new covenant was made through Jesus' blood and includes the salvation of souls from every tribe, tongue, people, and nation including physical Israel who all become one holy nation in Christ:

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, (10) and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.

1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Jesus declared that both the flock of believing physical Israel and the flock of believing Gentiles will become ONE flock with ONE shepherd:

John 10:16 And other sheep(Gentiles) I have, which are not of this fold(Jews): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.

Shabbat shalom, Moby.

Well, that's partially right; so, I'm going to let it slide ... for now. HOWEVER, know that there's a better solution.

First, the word "salvation" is NOT about a person's justification! The word "salvation" comes from prophecies in the TANAKH (the OT) regarding the RESCUE of the nation of Israel. So, when Paul said, "salvation is come unto the Gentiles" and "all Israel shall be saved," know that Paul meant something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than people today THINK he meant!

The word in the Hebrew text is yimlaa'eeT stemming from ...

4422 maalaT (maw-lat'). A primitive root; properly, to be smooth, i.e. (by implication) to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks
-- deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.

This word was translated into the Greek of Romans 10:13 as "sootheesetai" stemming from ...

4982 soozoo (sode'-zo). From a primary soos (contraction for obsolete saoos, "safe"); to save, i.e. Deliver or protect (literally or figuratively) -- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

 

The noun forms are "salvation," "deliverance," and "a rescue." The verb forms are "to be saved," "to be delivered," and "to be rescued."

Here's an example:
 

Joel 2:28-3:2 (KJV)

28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."

Verse 32 was quoted by Paul in Romans 10:

Romans 10:8-13 (KJV)

8 But what saith it? 

"The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart": (Deuteronomy 30:14)

that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith,

"Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed (disappointed)." (Isaiah 28:16)

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 

13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Joel 2:32)

 

Also, you need to understand that the Jews ("Yhudiym") are children of Judah ("Yhudah") but there were also 11 other tribes and Joseph ("Yosef") was divided into two tribes, Manasseh ("Manasheh") and Ephraim ("Efrayim"), Joseph's two sons. The term "Jews" does NOT refer to all of the children of Israel. Each of the twelve tribes (with the exception of the 13th tribe, Levi  or "Leviy") had a portion of the Land as its inheritance. The tribe of Benjamin ("Bin-Yamiyn") sided with Judah when Solomon's ("Shlomoh's") son, Rehoboam ("RchaV'aam"), split the Kingdom in his arrogance and stubborn unkindness to his people. "The love of money is the root of all evil."

The ten northern tribes of Israel ("Yisra'eel") remained "Israel" and the two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin were simply called "Judah," and for many years after and through several dynasties in the north, they were two warring, neighboring kingdoms. The ten northern tribes were eventually taken captive by Shalmaneser ("Shalman'ecer") king of Assyria. They never returned as whole tribes out of captivity and their fate is currently unknown. The two southern tribes were eventually taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar ("Nvuwkhadne'tstsar") king of Babylon, but they DID return from captivity in the first year of Cyrus ("Kowresh"), king of Persia.

Since these returning captives had once been called "the kingdom of Judah," they returned to the land of Judah and re-established their nation, although they now had no king technically, even though Zerubbabel ("ZruwbaVel") was in the king's lineage. They were still technically under the kings of Medo-Persia, whose kingdom passed into the hands of Alexander the Great of Macedon and from there under the empire of Seleucus which eventually fell under the empire of Rome.

This short history lesson is to show that when Yeshua` said, "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (the Jews)," He may actually have been referring to the ten northern tribes of Israel, not to the Gentiles!

After all, Yeshua` also said,

Matthew 15:24 (KJV)

24But he answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

And, Paul's statement "all Israel shall be saved" is definitely referring to the ten northern tribes, as well!

Now, that's not to say that we who are Gentiles are not included; however, we are included under the Messiah's adoption and are thus adopted into the tribe of Judah! THAT'S where the Gentiles fit in! 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Retrobyter
to point out the lost sheep of Israel

[Moby]

21 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, Moby.

Well, that's partially right; so, I'm going to let it slide ... for now. HOWEVER, know that there's a better solution.

First, the word "salvation" is NOT about a person's justification! The word "salvation" comes from prophecies in the TANAKH (the OT) regarding the RESCUE of the nation of Israel. So, when Paul said, "salvation is come unto the Gentiles" and "all Israel shall be saved," know that Paul meant something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than people today THINK he meant!

The word in the Hebrew text is yimlaa'eeT stemming from ...

4422 maalaT (maw-lat'). A primitive root; properly, to be smooth, i.e. (by implication) to escape (as if by slipperiness); causatively, to release or rescue; specifically, to bring forth young, emit sparks
-- deliver (self), escape, lay, leap out, let alone, let go, preserve, save, X speedily, X surely.

This word was translated into the Greek of Romans 10:13 as "sootheesetai" stemming from ...

4982 soozoo (sode'-zo). From a primary soos (contraction for obsolete saoos, "safe"); to save, i.e. Deliver or protect (literally or figuratively) -- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.

 

The noun forms are "salvation," "deliverance," and "a rescue." The verb forms are "to be saved," "to be delivered," and "to be rescued."

Here's an example:
 

Joel 2:28-3:2 (KJV)

28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."

Verse 32 was quoted by Paul in Romans 10:

Romans 10:8-13 (KJV)

8 But what saith it? 

"The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart": (Deuteronomy 30:14)

that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith,

"Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed (disappointed)." (Isaiah 28:16)

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 

13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Joel 2:32)

 

Also, you need to understand that the Jews ("Yhudiym") are children of Judah ("Yhudah") but there were also 11 other tribes and Joseph ("Yosef") was divided into two tribes, Manasseh ("Manasheh") and Ephraim ("Efrayim"), Joseph's two sons. The term "Jews" does NOT refer to all of the children of Israel. Each of the twelve tribes (with the exception of the 13th tribe, Levi  or "Leviy") had a portion of the Land as its inheritance. The tribe of Benjamin ("Bin-Yamiyn") sided with Judah when Solomon's ("Shlomoh's") son, Rehoboam ("RchaV'aam"), split the Kingdom in his arrogance and stubborn unkindness to his people. "The love of money is the root of all evil."

The ten northern tribes of Israel ("Yisra'eel") remained "Israel" and the two southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin were simply called "Judah," and for many years after and through several dynasties in the north, they were two warring, neighboring kingdoms. The ten northern tribes were eventually taken captive by Shalmaneser ("Shalman'ecer") king of Assyria. They never returned as whole tribes out of captivity and their fate is currently unknown. The two southern tribes were eventually taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar ("Nvuwkhadne'tstsar") king of Babylon, but they DID return from captivity in the first year of Cyrus ("Kowresh"), king of Persia.

Since these returning captives had once been called "the kingdom of Judah," they returned to the land of Judah and re-established their nation, although they now had no king technically, even though Zerubbabel ("ZruwbaVel") was in the king's lineage. They were still technically under the kings of Medo-Persia, whose kingdom passed into the hands of Alexander the Great of Macedon and from there under the empire of Seleucus which eventually fell under the empire of Rome.

This short history lesson is to show that when Yeshua` said, "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (the Jews)," He may actually have been referring to the ten northern tribes of Israel, not to the Gentiles!

After all, Yeshua` also said,

Matthew 15:24 (KJV)

24But he answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

And, Paul's statement "all Israel shall be saved" is definitely referring to the ten northern tribes, as well!

Now, that's not to say that we who are Gentiles are not included; however, we are included under the Messiah's adoption and are thus adopted into the tribe of Judah! THAT'S where the Gentiles fit in! 

Abraham was a Gentile:

Acts 15:14-18 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. (15) And to this agree the words of the prophets;

 Abraham, his son Isaac, and his grandson Jacob were all Syrians:

Deuteronomy 26:5 And thou shalt answer and say before Jehovah thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father(Jacob); and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there, few in number; and he became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous(Israel).

God changed Jacob’s name to Israel:

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The name “Israel” means “he will rule as God”:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3478&t=KJV

Please notice that Israel was promised to become both a nation as well as a company of nations:

Genesis 35:10-11 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. (11) And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

This company of nations was a prophesy of the many believing Gentiles from all of the world who would become one holy nation with the believing Jews purchased unto God with the blood of Jesus from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation to become ONE kingdom of people:

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, (10) and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.

Peter as a believing Jew declared himself a part of this ONE holy nation with the believing Gentiles who are now the people of God as one body of Christ:

1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (10) who in time past were no people, but now are the people of God: who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

For more unleavened truth on this subject please see this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

[Retrobyter]

10 hours ago, Moby said:

Abraham was a Gentile:

Acts 15:14-18 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. (15) And to this agree the words of the prophets;

 Abraham, his son Isaac, and his grandson Jacob were all Syrians:

Deuteronomy 26:5 And thou shalt answer and say before Jehovah thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father(Jacob); and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there, few in number; and he became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous(Israel).

Shalom, Moby.

While I do like how you always quote Scripture to support your statements, I must warn you against MISQUOTING them to support your belief-structure, rather than to get your information FROM the Scriptures. Yes, Avraham was a "Gentile" of sorts; however, his lineage is known back to Noach and all the way back to Adam.

Technically, I suppose they WERE all "Syrians"; however, don't forget that Avraham, while he was still called "Avram," left the city "Uwr" of the Chaldeans, near the deltas of the Hiddekel and the Euphrates Rivers, to wherever God would lead him. Traveling with his father and his brother and his nephew to this new Land where God was calling him to go, his brother died on the way to Charan and his father Terah died at Charan. So, yes, he had put down roots in Charan, Syria, for a time, but then God called him to continue on to the Land where God wanted him to go.

Remember, too, what the author of Hebrews said about Avraham:

Hebrews 11:8-12 (KJV)

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

He had broken ties with his Gentile origins and was now looking for the "city which hath foundations (Greek: themelioi), whose builder and maker is God." He was already looking for The New Jerusalem!

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God changed Jacob’s name to Israel:

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The name “Israel” means “he will rule as God”:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3478&t=KJV

Nyeh, not really. His name means "he is a prince with God," the "sar" portion translates to "prince" and "'El" portion translates to "God." The word "prince" means a "winner." To see why, look at the background story to the verse Genesis 32:28. This is related to Yeshua`s title "Sar Shalom" or "Prince of Peace." He is the "WINNER of Peace!"

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Please notice that Israel was promised to become both a nation as well as a company of nations:

Genesis 35:10-11 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. (11) And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

Yes, Ya`aqov did have his name changed to "Yisra'eel" and He was a nation ("the children of Israel") and a company of nations ("Judah" and "Israel," the 10 northern tribes, often called "Efrayim," "Ephraim," the largest tribe of the 10). Furthermore, kings DID come out of his loins: Sha'uwl ("Saul"), Daviyd ("David"), Shlomoh ("Solomon"), and a HOST of others in both nations that were split from the children of Israel as originally governed by Daviyd and Shlomoh until each country was taken captive by God's punishers.

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This company of nations was a prophesy of the many believing Gentiles from all of the world who would become one holy nation with the believing Jews purchased unto God with the blood of Jesus from every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation to become ONE kingdom of people:

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, (10) and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.

No, this is fabricated from one's belief-structure. While there's nothing wrong with the verses you've quoted, these have been ADOPTED into the children of Israel, THROUGH the blood of the Messiah Yeshua` OUT OF every family (tribe), language (tongue), people, and nation and INTO the tribe of Yhudah ("Judah"); and THROUGH the children of Israel, they have been made "unto our God a kingdom and priests."

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Peter as a believing Jew declared himself a part of this ONE holy nation with the believing Gentiles who are now the people of God as one body of Christ:

1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (10) who in time past were no people, but now are the people of God: who had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

For more unleavened truth on this subject please see this link:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

And, here, you are missing a couple of words in translation that would help you understand Kefa's ("Peter's") message better. Verse 10 should read, "who in time past were no people, but now are a PART OF the people of God!" See, the definite article is not found with the word "Laos," meaning A "people," NOT "THE people" of God! Like above, this would only be true because they are all adopted into the tribe of Yhudah and have become a PART of the children of Israel, who will be governed by Yeshua` God's Messiah to be King.

One absolutely CANNOT take the Gentiles and promote them to the status of the children of Israel! Their status comes from becoming a PART of the children of Israel who will be God's Kingdom over which God's Messiah will reign!

Edited September 13, 2020 by Retrobyter
to offset the quoted Scripture with color

[Moby]

3 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Moby.

While I do like how you always quote Scripture to support your statements, I must warn you against MISQUOTING them to support your belief-structure, rather than to get your information FROM the Scriptures. Yes, Avraham was a "Gentile" of sorts; however, his lineage is known back to Noach and all the way back to Adam.

Technically, I suppose they WERE all "Syrians"; however, don't forget that Avraham, while he was still called "Avram," left the city "Uwr" of the Chaldeans, near the deltas of the Hiddekel and the Euphrates Rivers, to wherever God would lead him. Traveling with his father and his brother and his nephew to this new Land where God was calling him to go, his brother died on the way to Charan and his father Terah died at Charan. So, yes, he had put down roots in Charan, Syria, for a time, but then God called him to continue on to the Land where God wanted him to go.

Remember, too, what the author of Hebrews said about Avraham:

Hebrews 11:8-12 (KJV)

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

He had broken ties with his Gentile origins and was now looking for the "city which hath foundations (Greek: themelioi), whose builder and maker is God." He was already looking for The New Jerusalem!

Nyeh, not really. His name means "he is a prince with God," the "sar" portion translates to "prince" and "'El" portion translates to "God." The word "prince" means a "winner." To see why, look at the background story to the verse Genesis 32:28. This is related to Yeshua`s title "Sar Shalom" or "Prince of Peace." He is the "WINNER of Peace!"

Yes, Ya`aqov did have his name changed to "Yisra'eel" and He was a nation ("the children of Israel") and a company of nations ("Judah" and "Israel," the 10 northern tribes, often called "Efrayim," "Ephraim," the largest tribe of the 10). Furthermore, kings DID come out of his loins: Sha'uwl ("Saul"), Daviyd ("David"), Shlomoh ("Solomon"), and a HOST of others in both nations that were split from the children of Israel as originally governed by Daviyd and Shlomoh until each country was taken captive by God's punishers.

No, this is fabricated from one's belief-structure. While there's nothing wrong with the verses you've quoted, these have been ADOPTED into the children of Israel, THROUGH the blood of the Messiah Yeshua` OUT OF every family (tribe), language (tongue), people, and nation and INTO the tribe of Yhudah ("Judah"); and THROUGH the children of Israel, they have been made "unto our God a kingdom and priests."

And, here, you are missing a couple of words in translation that would help you understand Kefa's ("Peter's") message better. Verse 10 should read, "who in time past were no people, but now are a PART OF the people of God!" See, the definite article is not found with the word "Laos," meaning A "people," NOT "THE people" of God! Like above, this would only be true because they are all adopted into the tribe of Yhudah and have become a PART of the children of Israel, who will be governed by Yeshua` God's Messiah to be King.

One absolutely CANNOT take the Gentiles and promote them to the status of the children of Israel! Their status comes from becoming a PART of the children of Israel who will be God's Kingdom over which God's Messiah will reign!

Yes I understand that Abram had broken ties with His family but please remember that he sent His servant back to his kindred to get a wife for Isaac:

Genesis 24:3-4  and I will make thee swear by Jehovah, the God of heaven and the God of the earth, that thou wilt not take a wife for my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:  (4)  but thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife for my son Isaac.

So too Isaac sent Jacob back to get a wife from his kindred:

Genesis 28:1-3  And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.  (2)  Arise, go to Paddan-aram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother.  (3)  And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a company of people;

No where in the scriptures does it say that the nation of Israel was made up of many nations. Yes there were tribes within that one nation but each tribe was never declared an individual nation:

2 Samuel 7:23  And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem unto himself for a people, and to make him a name, and to do great things for you, and terrible things for thy land, before thy people, whom thou redeemedst to thee out of Egypt, from the nations and their gods?

Yes technically the Hebrew word for "Israel" means "a prince with God but the inferred is also he will rule as a god:

Genesis 32:28  And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3478&t=KJV

This is why Jesus quoted part of Psalm 82 here:

John 10:34-36  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?  (35)  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),  (36)  say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Sorry but nowhere in the NT does it even remotely infer that the believing Gentiles are adopted into the tribe of Judah just because Jesus was from that tribe:

Hebrews 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord hath sprung out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priests.

We are branches grafted into the ONE olive tree called "all Israel":

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

[Retrobyter]

23 hours ago, Moby said:

Yes I understand that Abram had broken ties with His family but please remember that he sent His servant back to his kindred to get a wife for Isaac:

Genesis 24:3-4  and I will make thee swear by Jehovah, the God of heaven and the God of the earth, that thou wilt not take a wife for my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:  (4)  but thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife for my son Isaac.

So too Isaac sent Jacob back to get a wife from his kindred:

Genesis 28:1-3  And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.  (2)  Arise, go to Paddan-aram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother.  (3)  And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a company of people;

Shalom, Moby.

Of course! Avraham and Yitschaq knew that their own family's women would be better than marrying into the daughters of the Canaanites. That's still part of Avraham's family, not His origins!

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No where in the scriptures does it say that the nation of Israel was made up of many nations. Yes there were tribes within that one nation but each tribe was never declared an individual nation:

2 Samuel 7:23  And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem unto himself for a people, and to make him a name, and to do great things for you, and terrible things for thy land, before thy people, whom thou redeemedst to thee out of Egypt, from the nations and their gods?

Really? We just touched on the verse that says otherwise!

Genesis 35:9-12 (KJV)

9 And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him. 10 And God said unto him,

"Thy name is 'Jacob': thy name shall not be called any more 'Jacob,' but 'Israel' shall be thy name":

and he called his name "Israel." 11 And God said unto him,

"I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; 12 And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land."

 

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Yes, technically, the Hebrew word for "Israel" means "a prince with God" but the inferred is also "he will rule as a god":

Genesis 32:28  And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3478&t=KJV

Not really, but whatever.

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This is why Jesus quoted part of Psalm 82 here:

John 10:34-36  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?  (35)  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),  (36)  say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Don't you think that He really quoted this verse to show the religious leaders that it wasn't such a bad thing for Him to claim that He was the "Son of God?" After all, that's what He said!

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Sorry but nowhere in the NT does it even remotely infer that the believing Gentiles are adopted into the tribe of Judah just because Jesus was from that tribe:

Hebrews 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord hath sprung out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priests.

We are branches grafted into the ONE olive tree called "all Israel":

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/12/19/all-israel/

Sure it does:

Ephesians 1:2-14 (KJV)

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ (through Yeshua` the Messiah) to himself (into God the Father), according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved (Yeshua` the Messiah). 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now, add to this the verse you just quoted, and ... VOILA!

Oh, yes. And, the ONE olive tree is NOT called "all Israel"; it's just called "Israel!" Paul never intended his words to be taken as a hyphenated label for something other than Israel!

Edited September 15, 2020 by Retrobyter
to include another thought